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Old June 7 2009, 06:18 AM   #16
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

I really loved the Tasha Yar character, and I can think of so many different routes the writers could have taken in fleshing out her character. As much as I love TNG, I really do think that the show can be seen as a failure in terms of character development on a drama series... it was always a story driven show (besides some real solid development Data). Tasha Yar had the potential to be a great, conflicted character on the show... something that we didn't see much of in TNG.
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Old June 7 2009, 07:21 AM   #17
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

I like Tasha Yar too. It was sad that she left due to the actress wanted to leave.

I don't think they should have killed her off. She should have become a recurring character, especially since the actress actually regretted her leaving later.

With or without Yar, TNG was and would have become a success due to great characters and excellent stories.
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Old June 7 2009, 07:45 AM   #18
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

I felt the same way while re-watching season 1. its too bad she died so early. I think it would have been more interesting if she survived longer and went out in a blaze of glory later on in the show.
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Old June 7 2009, 10:11 AM   #19
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More important: What had happened to Worf without Tasha Yar's departure?
Either he would have stayed a background character, or he would a replaced Wesley at naviagation when he left in season four.
I guess I would have given Worf Geordi's position at the Conn in Season 2. And Wesley would have inherited Worf's position as relief officer or whatever it was.
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Old June 7 2009, 10:12 AM   #20
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^That's a good idea.
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Old June 7 2009, 05:15 PM   #21
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

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Had she stayed, we would have had no "Yesterday's Enterprise" the same way, or Sela. We'd have probably still had an altered "YE" and no Sela is a good thing by me. Worf wouldn't have been as overexposed, and might have gone to DS9 from the start, two more good things.

Eh, I don't think Sela herself is a problem... I think the fact that they went out of the way to create this character, use her only a few times, build her up, but still we wonder "Why bother with the Tasha Yar's Daughter thing? What does this add to the story?"

Ultimately she was useless. Besides, we had a much better Recurring Romulan character. Tomalok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXT22Ghouw

Tomalok only had a few short appearances but was actually a lot more memorable and was a much better thought out character.



I think Yar dying in the line of Duty was the way to go... What actually impressed me about the episode was, they didn't have a long "Maybe we can save her" sequence where everyone tears up. She's dead, in sickbay, nothing they can do, story moves forward. Gets the memorial at the end,and the episode's done. To have that happen to a major character is actually quite ballsy.

Much better than Jadzia's fate in Deep Space Nine.
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Old June 9 2009, 11:15 PM   #22
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

Episode #10 "Hide and Q" made me think, too. When Yar was in the "penalty box", she was sitting by herself alone on the bridge, and she looked totally abject and helpless, and it bothered me. It did so because I knew in about 16 episodes, she would be dead, and that did not sit well with me. She had so much potential, and again, while I love that Worf was developed (he eventually became one of my favorite characters), I just think Tasha could have had that same chance.

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Old June 9 2009, 11:24 PM   #23
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Thanks a lot. I'm overworked, my short film has put me in debt, and now Mr. Allen... You have made me sad.
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Old June 9 2009, 11:54 PM   #24
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Thanks a lot. I'm overworked, my short film has put me in debt, and now Mr. Allen... You have made me sad.
Excellent. If you need any sad script writing for your short film, please drop me a line. I'm full of misery, and I love company!


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Old June 10 2009, 12:11 AM   #25
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Re: I like Tasha Yar.

I have always had a soft spot for the characters who get killed off because the writers 'can't work with their character' - I always think something along the lines of 'give ME a crack at them, I could do something!' Tasha especially, since she's a fascinating character - all the other main cast are these people who have lived the good life in the heart of the Federation, while she grew up on a colony that 'failed' (don't quite understand that - if the colony failed, how exactly are there still people there?)

Sadly, Tasha's character was a victim of two things - the writers trying to put a female in a position that traditionally was a 'man's' role while also trying to make it seem a casual 'yeah, happens all the time, and, the bigger problem of the two, the 'our characters DON'T' clause that Gene put in for TNG. Her existence on Turkana IV would have been filled with occasions were she engaged in activities that Gene had dictated that our character would not do, and as such, it made it hard to do anything with her, because she wouldn't have been allowed to draw on her prior experiences, given that as a character, they were things that she should have done, but as a Gene Roddenberry character, she wasn't allowed to do.

I know Star Trek wouldn't be around without him, but I firmly feel that by the time of TNG's production, Gene had bought into his own hype and let himself believe that all it took to overcome these inherent human traits he deemed as being 'negative' was the power of positive thinking - if TNG Gene had worked on TOS, we wouldn't have had the Spock-Bones banter, because the characters were 'too evolved' for such arguments. All the TNG characters suffered because of the 'our characters DON'T' rule, but none so much as Tasha - if that hadn't been a rule, I would not be surprised if Denise Crosby would have wanted to remain with the show.
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Old June 10 2009, 12:41 AM   #26
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Well said, DGCatAniSiri.
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Old June 10 2009, 01:17 AM   #27
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I have always had a soft spot for the characters who get killed off because the writers 'can't work with their character' - I always think something along the lines of 'give ME a crack at them, I could do something!' Tasha especially, since she's a fascinating character - all the other main cast are these people who have lived the good life in the heart of the Federation, while she grew up on a colony that 'failed' (don't quite understand that - if the colony failed, how exactly are there still people there?)

Sadly, Tasha's character was a victim of two things - the writers trying to put a female in a position that traditionally was a 'man's' role while also trying to make it seem a casual 'yeah, happens all the time, and, the bigger problem of the two, the 'our characters DON'T' clause that Gene put in for TNG. Her existence on Turkana IV would have been filled with occasions were she engaged in activities that Gene had dictated that our character would not do, and as such, it made it hard to do anything with her, because she wouldn't have been allowed to draw on her prior experiences, given that as a character, they were things that she should have done, but as a Gene Roddenberry character, she wasn't allowed to do.

I know Star Trek wouldn't be around without him, but I firmly feel that by the time of TNG's production, Gene had bought into his own hype and let himself believe that all it took to overcome these inherent human traits he deemed as being 'negative' was the power of positive thinking - if TNG Gene had worked on TOS, we wouldn't have had the Spock-Bones banter, because the characters were 'too evolved' for such arguments. All the TNG characters suffered because of the 'our characters DON'T' rule, but none so much as Tasha - if that hadn't been a rule, I would not be surprised if Denise Crosby would have wanted to remain with the show.
Agreed. I can't help but become disgruntled with Gene at times because of that. He became too strict, too rigid, and it was a shame, but then no one is perfect. I just wish he would have relented somewhat on that line of thought.

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Old June 10 2009, 02:50 AM   #28
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I think what GR missed out on was that it wasn't that viewers who bought into the optimistic Trek future wanted perfect humans, they wanted to relate to "better" humans who fought and successfully overcame their lesser natures on the show, not somewhere in the past or off-screen. Kirk wasn't perfect - he didn't always have confidence he was doing the right thing or have the answer right off, but he would find it.

Having Tasha have to fight to overcome her upbringing (or lack thereof) sometimes would have been better.
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Old June 10 2009, 02:54 AM   #29
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I remember liking the character when I first watched the series. I was sad to see her leave the series. However, now I find it tough to even watch Denise Crosby in the role...she is such a horrible actress...
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I think what GR missed out on was that it wasn't that viewers who bought into the optimistic Trek future wanted perfect humans, they wanted to relate to "better" humans who fought and successfully overcame their lesser natures on the show, not somewhere in the past or off-screen. Kirk wasn't perfect - he didn't always have confidence he was doing the right thing or have the answer right off, but he would find it.

Having Tasha have to fight to overcome her upbringing (or lack thereof) sometimes would have been better.
Yes, I think that would have been a great opportunity for everyone involved.

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I remember liking the character when I first watched the series. I was sad to see her leave the series. However, now I find it tough to even watch Denise Crosby in the role...she is such a horrible actress...
To be fair, none of them did very well with the stilted dialogue and poor stories of the first season. I mean, look at Worf season one, and then season seven. Two totally different actors in a way. I think in time she would have found her footing.

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