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Old June 7 2009, 08:48 PM   #1621
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neogothboy74, nice to see you! And don't be a stranger. I certainly missed you around here.
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Old June 7 2009, 08:55 PM   #1622
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^ I'm trying to stay away from comments about rigid pricks, but it's sooooo difficult!
That was really unnecessary :X
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Old June 7 2009, 10:42 PM   #1623
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I've not been commenting lately. Been busy with life stuff.
Don't let that life stuff get in the way of this important internet stuff. Get your ass back here!

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That was really unnecessary :X
You're just upset that your jokes go over like a lead balloon.
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Old June 7 2009, 10:49 PM   #1624
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Likewise, I hated the overbearing way Tuvok was portrayed - no books, standard issue blanket only... Come ON! Like any member of the crew, not just Neelix, bringing a handful of personal effects is going to be that problematic?
That's just the way Tuvok was written for the most part - a stiff, joyless, serious goon. He comes across as a prick, and every time you think they've made a breakthrough, he's back to being the butt of the jokes the next week.
If he always reverts to the status quo, it says less about his character and more about the writers of the series not caring about character development.

And it still feels like Tuvok was unusually overbearing in that scene, solely as a set-up for the... 'comedic' side story.
Yes, I agree, the writing was to blame rather than the basic character or Tim Russ as an actor. It goes down to the central dilemma of Tuvok: how do you have a Vulcan without him being a pale imitation of Spock, perhaps the greatest, most iconic character in all of Star Trek?

They never quite got around it for me. Too often it was simply "Vulcan=serious=arrogant", which DS9 and often Enterprise were also to blame for.
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Old June 8 2009, 12:18 AM   #1625
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One (**)

Trivia time: Intrepid class starships include over 140 stasis chambers, that is almost four times as many stasis chambers as the amount of torpedoes they carry.

I like the general idea of this episode, but the way it plays out is initially boring and eventually turns over the top. They literally turn Voyager into the Seven and Doctor show here and that's not such a bad thing because they are both intriguing characters. Unfortunately Seven's antics quickly get annoying and the episode relies upon Shmully insulting her to make things interesting.

But then Shmully goes offline and Seven is left on her own, that's when things get silly as she starts imagining the crew and Borg drones taunting her about her imminent death. Any sense of subtlety the episode should have had it completely lost when the ship turns green and dry ice starts sublimating all over the place.
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Old June 8 2009, 12:24 AM   #1626
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Old June 8 2009, 12:35 AM   #1627
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neogothboy74, nice to see you! And don't be a stranger. I certainly missed you around here.
You forgot to mention the rule about those who go away then come back again have to buy a round.

Never mind, I just did.
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Old June 8 2009, 02:37 AM   #1628
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2.5 stars for "One".

I thought it was boring. This was as bare-bones as a bottle show can get. The cast gets a week off and Jeri Ryan gets to carry a show. There really isn't a lot to say about it. It is mostly an hour of various mini-crises that Seven has to deal with--Tom gets out of his pod, Seven hallucinates drones, there might be a strange alien onboard, Seven and the Doctor chit chats. None of it is bad it just left me not the least bit interested. Plus I have never been all that crazy where a crewmember has something happen in their head and it plays out before us as a hallucination. I actually kept waiting for some interesting plot development to occur but unfortunately it never did. I was really hoping for a Borg cube to show up. Chalk this up as another unsatisfying Taylor script. I think I might actually like ENT's rip-off episode "Doctor's Orders" more. It had a bit more pep to it.

Like I said before, VOY peaked around Prey and the season ended very weak. Not even the next episode--a season finale which usually are the stronger episodes of a season is that good. It basically had an opportunity to shake up the status quo as well as pay off the ongoing coded message from "Hunters" in a satisfying way but unfortunately it did neither and came across as an episode that could feel right at home in a string of regular mediocrity not even bothering to supply a cliffhanger or intriguing final scene. But I guess I got ahead talking about "Hope and Fear"--I have plenty to say about when the time comes.
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Old June 8 2009, 03:44 AM   #1629
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Personally, I'd give the episode three stars, but then, I'm big on psychological focuses, given that I think Voyager should have employed them on a regular basis. Okay, so the green lighting and dry ice is more than a little hokey, but I like the fact that they actually managed to play on the idea of being all alone out there in the (in actual fact, not so) big bad Delta Quadrant. If you're going to study the effects of isolation, someone who has spent most of their life as one among many, never being alone, makes for a good choice.
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Old June 8 2009, 03:51 AM   #1630
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"One" was not horrible, but not my favorite. Like GodBen said, the basic idea was good, but by the end any subtlety it had left was lost. DGCatAniSiri is right in saying that seven was the logical character to pick to do a study of the effects of isolation, and I too wish a psychological view had been examined more closely and more frequently on VGR. With "One," what should have been a quiet, tense character drama episode degraded to near-farce. And don't get me started on the bend-over-backwards plot contrivance for setting up having Seven have to run the ship alone, and pulling the stasis pods ot of nowhere...

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Old June 8 2009, 04:33 AM   #1631
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Personally, I'd give the episode three stars, but then, I'm big on psychological focuses, given that I think Voyager should have employed them on a regular basis. Okay, so the green lighting and dry ice is more than a little hokey, but I like the fact that they actually managed to play on the idea of being all alone out there in the (in actual fact, not so) big bad Delta Quadrant. If you're going to study the effects of isolation, someone who has spent most of their life as one among many, never being alone, makes for a good choice.
I don't mind a psychological story but this one simply didn't work for me. I think such a story is potentially interesting but this wasn't the best execution. I can't point to anything specifically it just didn't come together.
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Old June 8 2009, 05:13 AM   #1632
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I thought One was a strong episode and I easily give it 3 out of 4 stars.
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Old June 8 2009, 05:15 AM   #1633
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Yeah, I would hit the episode with three stars as well.
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Old June 8 2009, 05:36 AM   #1634
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Same, I quite enjoyed it. Anyone, left alone for an extended period of time would probably start to talk to themselves to keep themselves occupied. Seven hallucinating was just an extension of that, I think.
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Old June 8 2009, 01:18 PM   #1635
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^ I'm fine with Seven hallucinating, what annoyed me is how all the hallucinations kept saying the same thing; "You're alone and you're going to diiiiiiie!!" It was five minutes of nothing but stupid scenes of Seven imagining people telling her she's going to die, and at the end of the episode they have Seven say to Tom "Perhaps you dislike being alone." It would have been more subtle if they repeatedly hit me on the head with a hammer and shouted the message in my ear.
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