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Old June 7 2009, 12:21 AM   #76
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Re: DRAG ME TO HELL

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I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
It has an intellectual component, to think otherwise is to seriously underestimate the film and it's creator
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Old June 7 2009, 12:29 AM   #77
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I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
It has an intellectual component, to think otherwise is to seriously underestimate the film and it's creator

Oh, I know that. The punishment should still fit the crime, and that's one of the movies weakpoints.
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Old June 7 2009, 12:29 AM   #78
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I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
It has an intellectual component, to think otherwise is to seriously underestimate the film and it's creator
What do you mean, it's a horror film, how could it possible have any intellectual components, horrors are all about over the top gore and crappy story...
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Old June 7 2009, 12:41 AM   #79
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And we all knew it was coming. If you didn't, I really think you should tear up your high school diploma because damn, I really don't think you deserve it.
Whoa, there...... you and Camelopard clearly have differing opinions on the film, as proven by your exchanges after this post. Regardless, there's no reason for you to take such an insulting tone. One that borders on flaming/trolling.
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Old June 7 2009, 12:42 AM   #80
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^Thank you.

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Drag Me to Hell ends with a similar moral wake-up call. But I guess you slept through it. Perhaps you were too busy congratulating yourself for figuring out Raimi's foreshadowing.
I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
I never said Drag Me to Hell was an intellectual film.

I never said that about any of the films I mentioned.

Once again, you're putting words in my mouth.

If you think that a film has to be "intellectual" to have a theme, then you have no business debating film in the first place.
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Old June 7 2009, 12:46 AM   #81
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Drag Me to Hell ends with a similar moral wake-up call. But I guess you slept through it. Perhaps you were too busy congratulating yourself for figuring out Raimi's foreshadowing.
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Drag Me to Hell ends with a similar moral wake-up call. But I guess you slept through it. Perhaps you were too busy congratulating yourself for figuring out Raimi's foreshadowing.

I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
Crap.... I type too slowly.


Camelopard, you aren't helping your cause with your comment above. Newski, you're digging yourself deeper.

How about the two of you just stay apart for the time being? You each see the film differently. Leave it at that and move on.
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Old June 7 2009, 06:20 AM   #82
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Crap.... I type too slowly.
Not really. After my last post, I signed off, and spent the next five hours playing Rise of Legends.

So a second intervention on your part wasn't necessary. This argument had already burned itself out.
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Old June 7 2009, 02:50 PM   #83
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I'm done. The moment you start talking as if Drag Me to Hell is somehow an intellectual film, it's "Game Over".
It has an intellectual component, to think otherwise is to seriously underestimate the film and it's creator

Oh, I know that. The punishment should still fit the crime, and that's one of the movies weakpoints.
If the punishment fit the crime, it wouldn't be a horror movie.

Horror movies--at least, the horror movies that I've seen--are full of people who suffer terrible punishments for minor transgressions, or for other people's transgressions, or sometimes for no reason at all.

Most notoriously, in slasher films, premarital sex is punished with death.

In The Exorcist, the mother transgresses her traditional gender role, and is punished with the demonic possession of her daughter.

In The Fog, the townsfolk are killed by vengeful ghosts for the sins of their ancestors.

In Psycho, Marion steals money from her employer. Just when she decides to go back and return the money, she is murdered.

In Carrie, the protagonist massacres an entire high-school class for bullying her. The one girl who tried to help Carrie survives, but is horribly traumatized.

In The Grudge, the vengeful ghost of the murdered wife takes vengeance on anyone who enters her former home.

In Alien, the captain of the Nostromo violates quarantine procedures in order to help an injured crewmate.

In The Return of the Living Dead, the owner of the medical-supply warehouse simply stores the mis-shipped canisters in his basement, instead of alerting the authorities.

In The Descent, Juno lies to her friends, and leads them into an unexplored cave system.

In Hostel, young men engaging in sex tourism have the tables turned on them, and are punished with death by slow torture.

In 28 Days Later, scientists conduct dangerous, irresponsible experiments, which go awry when animal-rights militants break into their laboratory. Most of the population of Great Britain is then punished for the hubris of both the scientists and the militants.

The heroine in Rosemary's Baby doesn't do anything to deserve what happens to her.

In fact, those films that I can think of, where the punishment does fit the crime, generally try to disguise this fact.

Night of the Living Dead would be one of those films. Angel Heart would be another.
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Old June 17 2009, 02:01 AM   #84
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Thought this was a pretty cool film. Classic Raimi stuff with the right balance of horror and gags. The second she picked up the envelope in the car, I knew it was the wrong one, and when she was holding it in the diner and you saw the round outline of the object inside, I remembered the coin. You evil bastard, Raimi.

Great stuff though. Hope to see him continue to make films like this in the future.
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