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Old June 6 2009, 03:55 AM   #76
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Saw the trailer earlier. It leaves my jaws dropped on the floor. I liked what I saw. It would be neat if George Lucas allowing this, but as long as he's around, we will receive the same stories of SW all over again. Topic of Star Wars at hand is really, really tiring now. It's time for new SW stories like we just saw the trailer.
Lucas, or at least the Lucas "entity" was involved - they were only allowed to show the trailer a certain amount of times on the show floor at E3. It's still being controlled at various corporate levels.
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Old June 6 2009, 05:45 AM   #77
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It's time for new SW stories like we just saw the trailer.
New Star Wars stories? Like the Jedi getting their ass handed to them again?
The real question: Do you want old SW stories all over again??
I don't understand the condescending eyeroll, but whatever.

You gave the impression from your confusingly worded post that this game is a new type of Star Wars story.

At which point, I jokingly pointed out that the story seems to be the Jedi getting their asses kicked where they will, presumably, need to come back from being down and out to defeat the bad guys.

This has happened numerous times in the Star Wars universe and is hardly original or new.

What would make it original would be how the story is told, themes involved, etc. Personally, I feel the Star Wars universe has given us a multitude of different types of stories ranging from Jedi stuff, to bounty hunter stuff, to rebel stuff, and anything else in between, in addition to character growth (even if they don't fully have the balls to kill off more of the OT characters) and an expanding and continuously changing universe. So, I don't fully understand your stance that the storytelling in Star Wars is giving us the same stories again and again.
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Old June 6 2009, 05:48 AM   #78
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Yeah. BIOWARE is amazing! I wouldn't trust Lucas to handle it properly though.
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Old June 6 2009, 06:03 AM   #79
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Yeah. BIOWARE is amazing! I wouldn't trust Lucas to handle it properly though.
I don't think GL has much of a hand in the video games. Like with the books, he's probably basically given a general plot outline and he can either OK it or veto what he doesn't like.
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Old June 6 2009, 07:41 AM   #80
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I'm a big Warsie (more of a Warsie than a Trekkie, in fact--I know, blasphemy here.) and honestly... I don't really care much about the expanded universe or prequels. I still see it as the story of Luke, Han and Leia. They are the human drama core of the franchise.

And seeing a bunch of battling Jedi holds little to no interest for me. I like the idea of them as an almost-dead breed.

The "space opera" trio drama part of the franchise is sorely missing from the expanded universe.

And don't even get me started on the prequels and George Lucas' writing skills. I'm quite glad that he used to have enough humility a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away to allow other writers to write his scripts. His original "Journal of the Whills" ideas for Star Wars are like a bad dream--it needed to be refined by other hands into what it became. It's been the same since American Graffiti. Other writers had to take his idea and turn it into something workable. Lucas, while able to come up with legendary ideas, is inept at dialog and dealing with actors (the actors have said as much).

ESB is the best movie in spite of Lucas and because he had the least to do with it. And he still complains despite the universal acclaim about how it's not his vision! He actually calls it the worst Star Wars film (prequels included). Leigh Brackett, in particular, was responsible for the Han/Leia love story, but her draft of the script was drastically cut down (but not enough for Lucas). Lucas still has problems with the amount of their relationship in the film and a lot of the deleted scenes are theirs.

And Lucas especially lost it when kids came into his life. He started wanting to make films for kids rather than for a wide audience like the first two films. It also didn't help that Carrie was completely stoned and Harrison didn't want to be there (the carbonite scene was because Harrison didn't want to return), on top of the Wookiees being replaced with Ewoks.

The problem with the expanded universe is a lot of it is written from a sci-fi/fanboy perspective that cares more about technology, random Jedi and pilots and cool-looking baddies rather than a mainstream drama surrounding a main group of characters that focuses on their personal conflicts and journeys.
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Old June 6 2009, 08:06 AM   #81
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Honestly, why I like the show is that it takes away all the Jedi garbage. I know it's just me, but Jedi in Star Wars are just boring now and showing real grunts is a welcome change to the "Skywalker of the week stories" that take place in the rest of the EU.

But, there's the typical one on one, two on one Jedi battles to answer your question.
It was more a rhetorical question... and I'm with you on being sick of "Jedi garbage" if there's never more than two or three combatants on both sides of a saber battle. Individual Clones Wars eps are doubtless better than the PT movies, but they're still working with a fundamentally misguided framework.
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Old June 6 2009, 08:31 AM   #82
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Honestly. That was better than all three prequels.
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Old June 6 2009, 11:15 AM   #83
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ESB is the best movie in spite of Lucas and because he had the least to do with it. And he still complains despite the universal acclaim about how it's not his vision! He actually calls it the worst Star Wars film (prequels included). Leigh Brackett, in particular, was responsible for the Han/Leia love story, but her draft of the script was drastically cut down (but not enough for Lucas). Lucas still has problems with the amount of their relationship in the film and a lot of the deleted scenes are theirs.

And Lucas especially lost it when kids came into his life. He started wanting to make films for kids rather than for a wide audience like the first two films. It also didn't help that Carrie was completely stoned and Harrison didn't want to be there (the carbonite scene was because Harrison didn't want to return), on top of the Wookiees being replaced with Ewoks.

The problem with the expanded universe is a lot of it is written from a sci-fi/fanboy perspective that cares more about technology, random Jedi and pilots and cool-looking baddies rather than a mainstream drama surrounding a main group of characters that focuses on their personal conflicts and journeys.
You know, this is why I'm disappointed that we're getting an MMO instead of a real game. I think that KoTOR2 is perhaps one of the best and most interesting Star Wars stories in the entire canon.
It was shrouded in shades of gray and could be manipulated in many ways so that even the ancillary characters could shift from "good" to "bad" or vice-versa. They did Lando but with even more complexity.


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It was more a rhetorical question... and I'm with you on being sick of "Jedi garbage" if there's never more than two or three combatants on both sides of a saber battle. Individual Clones Wars eps are doubtless better than the PT movies, but they're still working with a fundamentally misguided framework.
Well, there's that. When I watch the series, I forget that the movies happened because that's the only way I can enjoy it.
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Old June 6 2009, 12:13 PM   #84
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No, I'm one of the few people who LIKES the new Clone Wars...
No, no you're not, and I question whether you even read the grading and discussion threads if you think you are. Run a search and check the old Clone Wars topics. There was plenty of interest, mostly positive reviews, and a lot of people pleasantly surprised by the overall quality of the series.

But this trailer was just generic crap blowing up and - more importantly - looks NOTHING like the game it's meant to promote.
Oh, I'm sure the final product won't bear much of a resemblance to this trailer beyond the broad strokes, but I didn't care about the MMO game to begin with. I just liked the trailer.

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Oh, please. Don't be a martyr. I was speaking in general terms and you know it (I also used the qualifer "many", which doesn't mean "everyone").

While I cannot speak for T'Baio, the points he brought up are completely legitimate. Judging from the general attacks that the PT and "Clone Wars" received by a decent majority of fans on this board (and even touched upon in this thread), if this game was made into a movie based purely on this trailer, it would get ripped into as well.
That would depend on the quality of the movie, don't you think? You think people actually give a damn about a few slow-mo shots if it's a good movie?

I loved 'Watchmen' (slow-mo shots and all), so the Zack Snyder criticism doesn't really mean much to me, anyway.

One of the things I have seen on boards is that the PT was too much like a video game, had little-to-no plot (or had a too complex plot - take your pick ), and was just mindless action. This trailer shows more of the same.
They're not mindless action by any means, nor are they lacking or too complex in plot. They're just sort of... dumb. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy them, but that's not to say that they weren't extremely disappointing.

A film made from this could of course be equally dumb, but the comparison to the PT is kind of pointless at this stage since it's obviously not a movie yet. I just see potential to make something great from this.

In short, fandom confuses me at times. I am sure the game will be fun, but, like others, I am still puzzeled at people's reaction that this should have been what the prequels were.
Well, speaking for myself, and a few others said the same, I was hoping for the Jedi and Sith to face off in larger scale battles like this since it was supposed to be back before they were almost completely wiped out and turned into a thing of myth. Then we get the stupid "rule of two" crap with the Sith. That's the only comparison I made with the PT.
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Old June 6 2009, 03:13 PM   #85
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I swear if that was a trailer for a movie, all the people in here would be complaining about the slow motion and speed ramping.

Zach Snyder directs Star Wars.
QFT.

Many people here are saying that they want this into a movie and/or wish this was one of the prequels, yet if that were the case, it would be bashed to high heavens.
I'd like to thank the two of you for speaking on everyone's behalf, since they're clearly unable to do so themselves.

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The fanboy stuff would be using sexy females (Boba lady and the Twi'Lek) and the "Our time is at hand" old crap.
Dozens of lightsabers doesn't help much either.
Anyone who liked this should have had no problem with Episode II whatsoever.
The term "fanboy" tends to get thrown around whenever someone deems something that they don't personally like wrong as if their opinion is fact, and forgets that they are themselves as much a "fanboy" as everyone or everything they are attempting to put down with the remark.

You're criticizing the use of dozens of lightsabers in a Sith assault on the Jedi Temple? Should they use slingshots?

What's wrong with having "sexy" female characters (CGI women don't do much for me) so long as you don't make them ridiculously overpowered? In this case they were fighting with blasters and the weapons on their armor respectively, and there was nothing out of the ordinary or over-the-top about their performance in the battle for what a woman of their size and with their equipment should be able to accomplish.

The "our time is at hand" criticism is just silly. The Sith and Jedi, while often somewhat melodramatic, do talk like that.

The difference between this and AotC is:

- The Jedi are fighting equally badass foes instead of flying roaches and dumbass robots.

- The reasons the Jedi are being slaughtered in this case are actually logical and based on cunning tactics, as opposed to them giving up the high ground in the stadium and reenacting Custer's Last Stand in the middle of the arena for no good reason.

- No droid comic relief. They scared me for a second when that droid started rolling up, but fortunately nothing came of it.

- No one mentioned how uncomfortable it is to get sand in their asscrack. Not one whiner in the bunch. Granted, only one guy spoke, but he could have started complaining about how the Jedi were holding him back in his evil accent.

I could go on.

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I don't get how people think this is great but Clone Wars is bad. I mean, Clone Wars is just this over twenty 30 minute episodes. Mindless violence with no plot.
From what I've read in the grading and discussion threads, Clone Wars has been fairly well-received (the movie was mediocre, but there were some really good episodes). I would also disagree with your characterization of the episodes, though that's subjective. Plus, how much plot do you expect in a four-minute clip? For what little time they had to work with I think they did a decent job.
For an example of fanboy, just read your post again.
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Old June 6 2009, 03:47 PM   #86
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That would depend on the quality of the movie, don't you think? You think people actually give a damn about a few slow-mo shots if it's a good movie?

I loved 'Watchmen' (slow-mo shots and all), so the Zack Snyder criticism doesn't really mean much to me, anyway.
For one, I never made the Zack Snyder reference. Don't get defensive towards me about it.

That being said, are you that naive? I know you have been in the various grading/discussion forums here. People bitch about the dumbest things. I personally could care less about slo-mo/fast-mo, but you can't deny that there would be a contingent of people who would bellyache and moan saying, "OMG! Lucass is ripping off 300! and the Watchman!!!11!!one!! He's such a hack! Burn his house down!!!!11!!"

And, yes, the story would have to be good. But, we are not talking about that. We are talking about a trailer. Every time a high-profile trailer comes out, people bitch about the dumbest things. For one, Star Trek. Remember people bitching about the Enterprise being build on Earth during the very vague Cloverfield trailer? Or the later trailer that showed Spock attacking Kirk and people were bitching that Spock would never attack Kirk (even though they were presented evidence to the contrary)!

People are prone to bitching. I go back to my original point: If this was a trailer for a real Star Wars movie, people would rip it to shreds.

They're not mindless action by any means, nor are they lacking or too complex in plot. They're just sort of... dumb. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy them, but that's not to say that they weren't extremely disappointing.

A film made from this could of course be equally dumb, but the comparison to the PT is kind of pointless at this stage since it's obviously not a movie yet. I just see potential to make something great from this.
If the comparison to the PT is pointless, how come people here are going on and on about how this trailer is better than all the PT movies combined?
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Old June 6 2009, 04:23 PM   #87
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For an example of fanboy, just read your post again.
Don't kid yourself, you're one too, as is everyone else in this topic and most of the people on the board. Fanboy when used as a pejorative term is just one group of fans poorly attempting to look down on another group of fans who happen to like things they don't, so they can feel better about themselves. Sometimes they just throw it out there as an insult when they don't even have a clue why, like you just did because you couldn't respond to the content of the post.

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For one, I never made the Zack Snyder reference. Don't get defensive towards me about it.
You said QFT. Unless the meaning of that has changed, I would assume that means you agreed with what T'Baio said, right?

I was addressing both of your comments, not just yours. The Snyder reference would quite obviously be addressing his post, not yours.

That being said, are you that naive? I know you have been in the various grading/discussion forums here. People bitch about the dumbest things. I personally could care less about slo-mo/fast-mo, but you can't deny that there would be a contingent of people who would bellyache and moan saying, "OMG! Lucass is ripping off 300! and the Watchman!!!11!!one!! He's such a hack! Burn his house down!!!!11!!"
So what? Yes, there's always going to be a fringe group bitching about stupid things. The difference is between it being a fringe group and it being "all" or "many" or a majority of the audience making such complaints, which is what I took issue with.

And, yes, the story would have to be good. But, we are not talking about that. We are talking about a trailer. Every time a high-profile trailer comes out, people bitch about the dumbest things. For one, Star Trek. Remember people bitching about the Enterprise being build on Earth during the very vague Cloverfield trailer? Or the later trailer that showed Spock attacking Kirk and people were bitching that Spock would never attack Kirk (even though they were presented evidence to the contrary)!

People are prone to bitching. I go back to my original point: If this was a trailer for a real Star Wars movie, people would rip it to shreds.
Yeah, I remember the Trek XI trailer(s) and the reaction. And I remember the vast majority of people liking it. See my point above.

Look, this whole argument is getting silly, and it's not even about the merits or lack thereof of the trailer anymore. I simply object to painting the majority of people responding in this topic with the same broad brush. That's all.
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Old June 7 2009, 03:27 PM   #88
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Look, this whole argument is getting silly, and it's not even about the merits or lack thereof of the trailer anymore. I simply object to painting the majority of people responding in this topic with the same broad brush. That's all.
Yes, the argument is getting silly. I still maintain that if this was released as a prequel trailer, particularly after Episode I, regardless at how cool it may look, it would not be getting the love that it is receiving in this thread.
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Look, this whole argument is getting silly, and it's not even about the merits or lack thereof of the trailer anymore. I simply object to painting the majority of people responding in this topic with the same broad brush. That's all.
Yes, the argument is getting silly. I still maintain that if this was released as a prequel trailer, particularly after Episode I, regardless at how cool it may look, it would not be getting the love that it is receiving in this thread.
To be fair, movie trailers and video game trailers are trying to accomplish different goals. I think, for a video game, this is an awesome trailer, but there really aren't any character or plot elements for me to have any idea what it would be like as a movie.
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