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Old May 22 2009, 11:12 PM   #31
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And I for one love reading that kind of thing, in any universe. I've been known to laugh out loud and mutter "Oh, you clever s.o.b.!" when I come across something like that in anyone's work.
My other DC Fontana anecdote:

Her novel "Vulcan's Glory" (Feb 89) was in final revisions at about the same time as the "Spock will have a brother in ST V" rumours, and people in my club were anxious about whether she'd have had time to be able to address the issue in the novel, since the film was due in June of the same year. In media interviews at the time of Director Shatner's announcements for the movie, both Roddenberry and Fontana doubted that Spock ever had siblings (and in memos during the show in the 60s, Fontana would suggest that not having siblings made Spock more unique).

I was kinda, sorta, almost expecting a line in the book about Spock having no brothers, but one that left wiggle room for fanon interpretations that wouldn't be undermined by the still-to-come canonical movie, but DC actually went one further and had Amanda say to Spock, "You are the only child of Sarek."

DC wasn't breaking canon, since that movie wasn't out yet, but it was a sneaky little line that even ruled out half-brothers, and could have been so easily swept away by an editor's red pencil. Or had she written that line long before the news even broke?

When I asked her about it, she gave me a sly grin and said, "I'm thrilled that you noticed."
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Old May 23 2009, 12:24 AM   #32
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"The stodgy one."

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Old May 23 2009, 04:50 AM   #33
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Personally, "Spock, Son of Sarek" was always good enough for me...
Works well enough for me. Some cultures, I believe, don't even have family names, correct? So, it's entirely possible that "Spock" is his only name, everything else could just be a Terran interpretation of the Vulcan language.
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Old May 23 2009, 07:24 AM   #34
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some Arab folks don't use family names like us in the West. their names translates as:

Mohammed son of Hussein, son of Omar, son of Tariq, son of Hussein, from Kirkuk

and that's a short one. check out Alexander Siddig's son's full name some time...
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Old May 23 2009, 07:31 AM   #35
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Incorrect. It's Harold. His mom confirmed so.
Or Steve
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Old May 23 2009, 07:31 AM   #36
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I was kinda, sorta, almost expecting a line in the book about Spock having no brothers, but one that left wiggle room for fanon interpretations that wouldn't be undermined by the still-to-come canonical movie, but DC actually went one further and had Amanda say to Spock, "You are the only child of Sarek."
But OTOH, since Sybok was ostracized by all Vulcans and therefore by his family, Amanda could be right in that statement strictly from a Vulcan (Sarek's) perspective, even taking STV into account.
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Old May 23 2009, 08:43 AM   #37
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But OTOH, since Sybok was ostracized by all Vulcans and therefore by his family, Amanda could be right in that statement strictly from a Vulcan (Sarek's) perspective, even taking STV into account.
Yeah, but we didn't know those details until the film came out!
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Old June 2 2009, 02:04 PM   #38
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it's from a novel. it's also wrong. everyone knows Spock's first name is Carl.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!111


WOO HOO Gigalo Carl Spock Esq.


"Puff and pass Baby.. Puff and PAAASSS." - Gigalo Carl Spock, Esq.
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Old June 2 2009, 04:19 PM   #39
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Has anyone ever seen the "Super Mario Brothers" movie? There's a scene where Mario and Luigi are arrested by a police officer who asks for their full names. Mario reveals his last name is Mario, and Luigi's last name is Mario, hence the "Mario Brothers."

I would be quite happy to have a Spock-Spock.
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Old June 2 2009, 04:48 PM   #40
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Personally, "Spock, Son of Sarek" was always good enough for me...
Works well enough for me. Some cultures, I believe, don't even have family names, correct? So, it's entirely possible that "Spock" is his only name, everything else could just be a Terran interpretation of the Vulcan language.
Ideally, all Sikhs are named Singh and Kaur. Surakism seems at least as radical a break with the Vulcan past.

I still like the idea that they have secret, complicated surnames, however.
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Old June 2 2009, 06:14 PM   #41
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Works well enough for me. Some cultures, I believe, don't even have family names, correct? So, it's entirely possible that "Spock" is his only name, everything else could just be a Terran interpretation of the Vulcan language.
Ideally, all Sikhs are named Singh and Kaur. Surakism seems at least as radical a break with the Vulcan past.
Singh and Kaur are supposed to be the universal male and female surnames for Sikhs, not their only names. Sikhs always have first names, even when they don't use the Singh or Kaur surnames.

In a large society, especially a planetwide one with six billion individuals to distinguish, it would just be irrational to require everyone to go by only a single name, especially when most such names are only five letters long and begin with S and/or end in K. There's no possible way to get six billion distinct names out of that. Having family names is only logical -- especially given the evident importance Vulcans ascribe to their family ties.
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Old June 3 2009, 03:13 AM   #42
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I meant surnames. Sorry to be vague--I figured everyone knew I didn't mean given names.

And if everyone has the same surname, it's effectively the equivalent of no one having a surname...
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Old June 3 2009, 01:25 PM   #43
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I meant surnames. Sorry to be vague--I figured everyone knew I didn't mean given names.

And if everyone has the same surname, it's effectively the equivalent of no one having a surname...
Not necessarily. Sikhs aren't limited to only two names; they can have a third. And there are cultures that have no surnames in the Western sense but have long strings of given names, patronymics, and so forth. For instance, the man that Westerners called "Saddam Hussein" was actually Saddam Hussein 'abd al-Majid al-Tikriti. "Hussein" wasn't his surname, since he had none; it was just his second given name. By Arabic naming convention, he was properly referred to simply as "Saddam" (his ism or given name), but the rest of his name served to distinguish him from other Saddams. Hussein was his father's name, 'abd al Majid means "servant of the Glorious One" (one of the 99 names of God; most Muslim names have some form of "servant of God" in them), and al-Tikriti means "of Tikrit," his place of birth.
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Old June 3 2009, 03:02 PM   #44
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Actually, all Sikhs have three names, just that not every Sikh uses the surname. Every Sikh male's second name is Singh, and Kaur for the women. The given name comes from the Guru Granth. A prayer is said, and the book allowed to fall open. The syllable to which the priest points will be the first syllable of the name. The third name, surname is the family name, but is actually a holdover from the caste system, indicating which caste you belong to, and subcaste.

I find the Icelandic (Scandinavian?) tradition appealing, where surnames are either father's son, or mother's daughter.
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Old June 3 2009, 09:01 PM   #45
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i like Sir Terry Pratchett's spoof of that: Glod Glodssonssonssonsson
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