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Old June 1 2009, 09:28 AM   #61
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Re: That's not MY ship...!

I like the JJprise better than the original or the refit. Except for Main Engineering.

The Enterprise-E is still my favorite of the bunch, though. The one from First Contact, that is, before they got all "let's put torpedo launchers everywhere!" with it.

On that note, I like the design of the Akira class a lot, but whoever came up with the idea of putting all those torpedo launchers on it needs to be smacked upside the head.
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Old June 1 2009, 09:56 AM   #62
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I haven't seen the film yet and doubt I will because of some things I've read here and in other threads about the film! In a few posts I've seen referances to a J.J., who is this?
J.J. is the director. J.J. Abrams. Kind of a big detail to miss.
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Old June 1 2009, 11:18 AM   #63
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I quite like the JJPrise (though I may need to see it more in action to make a final decision) and the refit versions of the Connie class Enterprise. I can accept the TOS era model, and even though I grew up watching the TNG runs in the mid 90s, I didn't see the refit until a while after watching a fair bit of the original series. I guess when you're young you're easily impressed by the prettier ship and I got spoiled with the -D and the -A at that age

I'm not sure about the -E. On it's own, it's a very nice ship, and the interior looks pretty sweet, but in a similar sentiment which other posters have already stated, I guess having the old -D crew almost shoe-horned into a completely different ship doesnt feel right. It wasn't as bad as the TOS to -A move for the Kirk crew, since it wasn't really a different ship, but the Galaxy to Sovereign move seemed to much of a change in feel for the TNG crew, if that makes sense? It probably comes down to the idea that the Galaxy is a capital ship, while the Sovereign is a capital ship. That and the old childhood attachment to the Galaxy

As for other ships, I kinda like the NX class after I got over the Akira-esque look, but I don't really think of it as an actual 'Enterprise' name holder.
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Old June 1 2009, 07:21 PM   #64
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I always thought Ferengi ships looked like horseshoe crabs...
Aye, twas on purpose.

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I like the JJprise better than the original or the refit. Except for Main Engineering.
I'm sorry to say: I'm getting there.

(And with a name like "Skywalker" saying you like the JJ isn't helping those "Star Wars" conspiracy theories, me amigo... )

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The Enterprise-E is still my favorite of the bunch, though. The one from First Contact, that is, before they got all "let's put torpedo launchers everywhere!" with it.
The *single* things I liked about the Nemesis version were the changes to the nacelle struts - the increase in incline and the addition of phaser strips to cover those blind spots.

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On that note, I like the design of the Akira class a lot, but whoever came up with the idea of putting all those torpedo launchers on it needs to be smacked upside the head.
Sadly, the designer and the torpedo-equipper were one in the same, none other than Alex Jaeger.
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Old June 1 2009, 10:39 PM   #65
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The engineering room on the JJ Prise was freakin' awful!

It looked out of date even for a modern warship...
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Old June 2 2009, 04:17 AM   #66
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You know, I never hated any Federation ship until First Contact. I hated the new Enterprise E, and hated ALL the new little ships that battled the Borg cube.
I read originally the new Enterprise E was going to be larger than D and look different, but for some reason (which I can't recall; may budget, time restraints, etc) they went with smaller and sleaker.

The last new Federation ship I liked was the alternate timeline U.S.S. Pasteur from "All Good Things..." (was disappointed when Playmates didn't release a toy for it).

All these years later after all the Trek shows have ended, my feelings have not change. I nfact I hate the Enterprise E even more now than before. And the Defiant. In fact, I don't think I can name liking any alien ships after TNG either.


But I did like the fake Starfleet ship from Voyager's "Hope and Fear".

Thing is, no matter the ship -- Enterprise, Enterprise A, Excelsior, Enterprise D -- all the ships had this sort of "look" to them. They felt Federation, they looked majestic in their own way. The Defiant, Enterprise E, Voyager, all looked and felt cheap and showy.
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Old June 2 2009, 07:29 AM   #67
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On that note, I like the design of the Akira class a lot, but whoever came up with the idea of putting all those torpedo launchers on it needs to be smacked upside the head.
Sadly, the designer and the torpedo-equipper were one in the same, none other than Alex Jaeger.
Well, Alex Jaeger needs to be smacked upside the head.
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Old June 2 2009, 08:45 PM   #68
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You know, I never hated any Federation ship until First Contact. I hated the new Enterprise E, and hated ALL the new little ships that battled the Borg cube.
I read originally the new Enterprise E was going to be larger than D and look different, but for some reason (which I can't recall; may budget, time restraints, etc) they went with smaller and sleaker.

The last new Federation ship I liked was the alternate timeline U.S.S. Pasteur from "All Good Things..." (was disappointed when Playmates didn't release a toy for it).

All these years later after all the Trek shows have ended, my feelings have not change. I nfact I hate the Enterprise E even more now than before. And the Defiant. In fact, I don't think I can name liking any alien ships after TNG either.


But I did like the fake Starfleet ship from Voyager's "Hope and Fear".

Thing is, no matter the ship -- Enterprise, Enterprise A, Excelsior, Enterprise D -- all the ships had this sort of "look" to them. They felt Federation, they looked majestic in their own way. The Defiant, Enterprise E, Voyager, all looked and felt cheap and showy.
While I can't completely agree with your opinion, I definitely understand where you're coming from.

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On that note, I like the design of the Akira class a lot, but whoever came up with the idea of putting all those torpedo launchers on it needs to be smacked upside the head.
Sadly, the designer and the torpedo-equipper were one in the same, none other than Alex Jaeger.
Well, Alex Jaeger needs to be smacked upside the head.
Maybe open-palmed?

He also gave us all those other nifty FC ships. He may have even put the Millennium Falcon in there himself.
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Old June 4 2009, 07:48 AM   #69
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the Ent-E starts off with a decent number 2 aft, 2 fore 1 fore q-torp turret.

they then add another tube in front of the bridge. they than add a ugly dual launcher behind the bridge (it really stands out) then they another dual behind the shuttle bay(i think). they go way OTT.
The thing is, when they installed the new QT launchers, they got rid of the 4 PT launchers... So in the end they had only 3 QT launchers... The one on the underside of the saucer section above the yacht, the dual launcher behind the bridge, and one directly above one of the shuttle bays.



Those were the only weapons tweaks made to the E. I think it just looked like a lot more because the ol' Double E was firing in like 8 million different directions.
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Old June 4 2009, 11:19 AM   #70
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They didn't get rid of anything as far as I know. They just added what's shown in the drawing, plus a few more.
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Old June 4 2009, 10:25 PM   #71
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They didn't get rid of anything as far as I know. They just added what's shown in the drawing, plus a few more.
All I know is that they didn't fire a thing from those old Photon torpedo bays in Nemesis, they only fired from the Old QT launcher and the two new ones...
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Old June 4 2009, 10:30 PM   #72
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But, physically, I believe they are still there.
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Old June 5 2009, 10:20 AM   #73
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I'm still pleasantly amazed at the number of refit elements that made it into the Abramsprise. Someone's been doing their homework when, really, they had every right not to. I appreciate those details. It might also imply that if the timeline is indeed changed, Abrams Trek is at a technological and engineering level that's above TOS but approaching the movies, therefore technology is slightly more advanced.

Anyway... I want to like the Ambassador. I really do. A midway design between the Excelsior and the Galaxy makes sense, but ultimately the ship feels like it really was designed as if the Galaxy came first and then trimmed down with a few Excelsior elements here and there. It doesn't feel like a true vessel in her own right, but rather just a slightly polished kitbash, in my opinion. Almost there, but not quite fit to carry the mantle of the Enterprise.
Have you seen the original painting by Probert of the Ambassador class? I feel it's a much more elegant ship than the one we got. It looked quite Galaxy-like, but I really liked it.

Here's the link: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...ambassador.jpg
That said, I've always liked the refit Enterprise. I grew up on TNG as well. And I like the -D. I also like the -E though. When people say they made modifications to the -E after First Contact, is it just those additional weapons?
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Old June 6 2009, 09:05 AM   #74
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Old June 6 2009, 05:33 PM   #75
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I'm still pleasantly amazed at the number of refit elements that made it into the Abramsprise. Someone's been doing their homework when, really, they had every right not to. I appreciate those details. It might also imply that if the timeline is indeed changed, Abrams Trek is at a technological and engineering level that's above TOS but approaching the movies, therefore technology is slightly more advanced.

Anyway... I want to like the Ambassador. I really do. A midway design between the Excelsior and the Galaxy makes sense, but ultimately the ship feels like it really was designed as if the Galaxy came first and then trimmed down with a few Excelsior elements here and there. It doesn't feel like a true vessel in her own right, but rather just a slightly polished kitbash, in my opinion. Almost there, but not quite fit to carry the mantle of the Enterprise.
Have you seen the original painting by Probert of the Ambassador class? I feel it's a much more elegant ship than the one we got. It looked quite Galaxy-like, but I really liked it.

Here's the link: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...ambassador.jpg
I do like Probert's painting, but the "real" Ambassador has a utilitarian feel that I appreciate. I don't see why both ships can't exist in the "real" Starfleet.

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That said, I've always liked the refit Enterprise. I grew up on TNG as well. And I like the -D. I also like the -E though. When people say they made modifications to the -E after First Contact, is it just those additional weapons?
No, they also angled the nacelle struts up several degrees so the nacelles have more clearance over the saucer, and "blended" the saucer into the secondary hull around the shuttlebay. See here.

Personally, I like the strut changes and the addition of a rear upper torpedo launcher on the spine (which I suppose was probably there in "Insurrection" based on where a certain torpedo came from during the battle in the Briar Patch), but everything else is 'meh.' It's like the Akira having so many torpedo launchers; it doesn't need them, really, and the ones on the E are in really weird places for me, tacked on like turrets which IMO just doesn't work.
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