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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Average 84 7.46%
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Old May 21 2009, 03:40 PM   #1966
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13 days after the release of the movie and being a trek fan from 1980 i'm more dissapointed with the fans than with the movie itself. I don't understand why so many fans liked this movie. Are the impressive visual effects and meaningless action the only things that remained from trek? And nobody noticed the holes in the plot? Where is the famous roddenberry's vision? Now all that we want is a lot of people fighting each other and starships blowing up? abrams made a movie that is more like starship troopers than trek. And the fans like it???!!! I can only hope that this will not be the death of star trek as we knew it allthough i'm afraid that this what will happen.
Come join our Trek XI thread in TNZ. We're discussing it right now. I just made the rebuttal that perhaps it is unwise for fans to jump the gun in calling this a great movie, and while some disagree with me, we're making headway.

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yeah, 'tis all good but you do need a bit of a thick skin in TNG though. might as well let 'em know that right away, John
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Old May 21 2009, 03:59 PM   #1967
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13 days after the release of the movie and being a trek fan from 1980 i'm more dissapointed with the fans than with the movie itself. I don't understand why so many fans liked this movie. Are the impressive visual effects and meaningless action the only things that remained from trek? And nobody noticed the holes in the plot? Where is the famous roddenberry's vision? Now all that we want is a lot of people fighting each other and starships blowing up? abrams made a movie that is more like starship troopers than trek. And the fans like it???!!! I can only hope that this will not be the death of star trek as we knew it allthough i'm afraid that this what will happen.
Come join our Trek XI thread in TNZ. We're discussing it right now. I just made the rebuttal that perhaps it is unwise for fans to jump the gun in calling this a great movie, and while some disagree with me, we're making headway.

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yeah, 'tis all good but you do need a bit of a thick skin in TNG though. might as well let 'em know that right away, John
You don't need a thick skin, you just need not to be thin skinned, different thing altogether.
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Old May 21 2009, 04:04 PM   #1968
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perhaps. at least, you need a tight leash on your temper

'cos, you know, whoever goes down there for the Trek thread is eventually going to get sucked into the other ones. at least, we need to be thankful election season's gone.
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Old May 21 2009, 05:13 PM   #1969
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perhaps. at least, you need a tight leash on your temper

'cos, you know, whoever goes down there for the Trek thread is eventually going to get sucked into the other ones. at least, we need to be thankful election season's gone.
At first I read that as needing an Irish temper, to which I replied, "check!".


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Old May 21 2009, 06:39 PM   #1970
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I've noticed that a lot of people on this board who criticize the movie do so because of the way it messes with the Star Trek universe. To be honest, isn't this the sort of nitpicking that makes Star Trek fans so easy to ridicule?

Now there are plenty of people on this board, as well, who have listed faults with the film's plotting, or direction, or acting. I disagree with them, yet I found it a lot easier to read these criticisms then it is to read about people who are upset about Vulcan being destroyed or that the Enterprise isn't close enough to the original or anything of these other cosmetic changes.

If you don't like the movie because Pine sucked, or the story didn't make sense, or the dialogue was awful, okay! I disagree with you, but at least you're criticizing the movie itself. If you're criticizing it because it's not your idea of Trek or because you can't accept the changes that have been made whether it be to the Trek universe or the uniforms or the ship, I encourage you to sit back and put all those things aside and just watch the movie!
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Old May 21 2009, 06:52 PM   #1971
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perhaps. at least, you need a tight leash on your temper

'cos, you know, whoever goes down there for the Trek thread is eventually going to get sucked into the other ones. at least, we need to be thankful election season's gone.
At first I read that as needing an Irish temper, to which I replied, "check!".


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I've been told I have Irish "roots" as well! you keep it well under control, John. my hat is off to ya!
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Old May 21 2009, 08:13 PM   #1972
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Very disappointed. Pike, Spock and Chekov were pretty good, McCoy was OK, but the story was too simple and I didn't like Kirk's insubordination (they have a ready room so that there aren't debates on the bridge).
if you're going to claim this film isn't TOS-like per se; it would help if you actually WATCHED a TOS episode, as the NCC-1701 has NEVER had a 'ready room' on ore near the bridge, ever.
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Old May 21 2009, 08:33 PM   #1973
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I've noticed that a lot of people on this board who criticize the movie do so because of the way it messes with the Star Trek universe. To be honest, isn't this the sort of nitpicking that makes Star Trek fans so easy to ridicule?

Now there are plenty of people on this board, as well, who have listed faults with the film's plotting, or direction, or acting. I disagree with them, yet I found it a lot easier to read these criticisms then it is to read about people who are upset about Vulcan being destroyed or that the Enterprise isn't close enough to the original or anything of these other cosmetic changes.

If you don't like the movie because Pine sucked, or the story didn't make sense, or the dialogue was awful, okay! I disagree with you, but at least you're criticizing the movie itself. If you're criticizing it because it's not your idea of Trek or because you can't accept the changes that have been made whether it be to the Trek universe or the uniforms or the ship, I encourage you to sit back and put all those things aside and just watch the movie!
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Old May 21 2009, 08:58 PM   #1974
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I'm not sure why I'm adding my two cents but ah, well.

I've been a lifelong fan of Trek. I've loved it when it was just a money making venture that happened to explore the Cold War or the social topic in space in the guise of science fiction. I loved it when it was filled with acting that ranged from excellent to mediocre, campiness, torn shirts, and no effort to be truly scientific. I loved it when it matured into something that, unfortunately, became a religion to some, acting that ranged from excellent to bad, efforts to invoke science that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't, when the concepts ranged from the sublime to the moronic, and when the writers couldn't figure out how thing should work even within the same series. I've even loved Trek when the characters (from TOS through the movies to Enterprise) committed crimes (stealing ships, assassinations, destruction of planetary biospheres, etc) to suit themselves or some higher purpose.

That being said, I loved this movie. After watching it, I was planning to rewatch TMP to experience again the reveal of 1701-A. I was planning on which of my favorite TOS novels I'd reread and in what order. The reason? The movie captured the two things that were best about ST once you got past the (sometimes screwed up) technology, effects, plotholes, etc: the crew and the sense of adventure shared by the crew and the audience.

If you want to argue about utopias, humanity becoming the "New Man" or the like, remember that this was tacked onto TOS after it went off the air. TOS was about adventure and people facing it together (it was about making money principally but let's forego that for now). The plots were "drawn from the headlines" and the crew acted as people tend to do in real world situations: 1) they screwed up and muddled through, 2) they excelled, or 3) some combination of the above. Seems like there was a movie that came out May 9, 2009, that basically had that as the theme. If that doesn't fit within retroactively applied visions of TOS, or the (occasionally hamfisted) efforts to mold subsequent series in that image, oh well.
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Old May 21 2009, 09:18 PM   #1975
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That being said, I loved this movie. After watching it, I was planning to rewatch TMP to experience again the reveal of 1701-A. I was planning on which of my favorite TOS novels I'd reread and in what order. The reason? The movie captured the two things that were best about ST once you got past the (sometimes screwed up) technology, effects, plotholes, etc: the crew and the sense of adventure shared by the crew and the audience.
Yes, that's exactly it! I see the flaws in the movie but I'm at fourth viewing because it does have the ST spirit. Hell, I could say that even the flaws are part of the ST spirit
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perhaps. at least, you need a tight leash on your temper

'cos, you know, whoever goes down there for the Trek thread is eventually going to get sucked into the other ones. at least, we need to be thankful election season's gone.
At first I read that as needing an Irish temper, to which I replied, "check!".


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I've been told I have Irish "roots" as well! you keep it well under control, John. my hat is off to ya!
It's a high level of willpower. I can keep my Irish temper in check, but I can't resist fried potatoes and corn bread. Curse that Irish cook in me! /throws chair



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Old May 21 2009, 11:40 PM   #1977
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It's a high level of willpower. I can keep my Irish temper in check, but I can't resist fried potatoes and corn bread. Curse that Irish cook in me! /throws chair



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Old May 22 2009, 12:26 AM   #1978
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Very disappointed. Pike, Spock and Chekov were pretty good, McCoy was OK, but the story was too simple and I didn't like Kirk's insubordination (they have a ready room so that there aren't debates on the bridge).
if you're going to claim this film isn't TOS-like per se; it would help if you actually WATCHED a TOS episode, as the NCC-1701 has NEVER had a 'ready room' on ore near the bridge, ever.
And anybody who watches TOS knows that Kirk has a history of insubordination. It's completely in character.
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Old May 22 2009, 02:23 AM   #1979
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It's a high level of willpower. I can keep my Irish temper in check, but I can't resist fried potatoes and corn bread. Curse that Irish cook in me! /throws chair



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Irish, huh? So what about booze?
Oddly enough, I don't drink!

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Old May 22 2009, 02:33 AM   #1980
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Me neither--I quaff!
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