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Old May 17 2009, 06:46 PM   #31
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Re: Enterprise-D 1:1 Scale model, with decks, in Sketchup

If the Sternbach and Whitefire blueprints have Deck 1 modules of substantially similar external shape -- and I suspect that they do -- then both sets have the same basic problem.
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Old May 17 2009, 07:02 PM   #32
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Big project... awfully big ships those Galaxys...

Going to try something modest next? Or skip everything and try the D'Deridex class warbird?
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Old May 17 2009, 07:23 PM   #33
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Re: Enterprise-D 1:1 Scale model, with decks, in Sketchup

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So this is not based on the Rick and Mike drawing set they sell in the black box with all the blue prints.

I dont mind that you have it larger than its drawn out at either. I'd love to see someone someday actually make a set of engineering blueprints that could be used for actual construction of this thing.

It wouldn't be practicle to build without the actual engines and a number of other key systems, but it sure would be interesitng ot have around to look at.
Well... there was also the Ed Whitefire blueprints, which are also accurate to the original 6-foot filming miniature, pre-GEN.
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Old May 17 2009, 07:57 PM   #34
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I looked at my Enterprise D blueprints and they do not have this problem. Why was it again that you didn't want to use the Rick and Mike Enterprise D blueprints?
The big reason is I have a P4 with 3gigs and a X1300 graphics card sitting in a semi-functional AGP slot that broke when my 6200 blew some caps. Rick's pans had way too much kibble and it would of killed my graphics card. I also like the easy to make wide spaces simple layout...

The bridge was the first thing I did. The original plans call to "carve out" the bridge on top, put walls around it, and then slope the structure foreward. The problem is I made the outer rooms on deck 1 much too tall. (Which is why the "porch" is cut out between two windows. Now I can relpace the skin of deck 1 at a later time. with something more creative, but as I have rooms to the left, right, and the hall below. I simply no place to carve into... I'll most likey add another outer window there and make it a touch prittier.

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I translate Japanese music concerts, once I got a comment from a Japanese native speaker telling me that my traslation was not 100% correct, but I was able to conveay the same messages in a more creative way. He liked my "take" on the lyrics even though it wasn't technaclly all correct. I found it a bit of a complement.

I think that applies here too.
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Old May 18 2009, 02:54 AM   #35
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I'm not sure I understand myself how the Ed Whitefire bridge is suppose to mesh into the frame of the ship. It seems to me that they drew he bridge incorrectly and that what they drew is really decks 1 and 1.75. In the end I dont get how deck 1 and deck 2 are suppose to mesh together in the Ed Whitefire plans
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Old May 18 2009, 06:31 PM   #36
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Re: Enterprise-D 1:1 Scale model, with decks, in Sketchup

It's been a long time since I looked at my copy of the Whitefire prints, but am I correct in assuming that his prints were of the "Encounter At Farpoint" 1701-D? Because if you recall, in the establishing shot of the 1701-D, in the start of the episode, we see the camera zoom in to where Picard is standing, in those forward rows of large windows, at the fore of the Shuttlebay/Bridge hump, on the saucer... and that room (the set) had the back wall of the Conference Room.
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Old May 18 2009, 07:51 PM   #37
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It's been a long time since I looked at my copy of the Whitefire prints, but am I correct in assuming that his prints were of the "Encounter At Farpoint" 1701-D? Because if you recall, in the establishing shot of the 1701-D, in the start of the episode, we see the camera zoom in to where Picard is standing, in those forward rows of large windows, at the fore of the Shuttlebay/Bridge hump, on the saucer... and that room (the set) had the back wall of the Conference Room.
That was the conference room. The camera zooms in on the Enterprise's bow, then jumps to the rear of the conference room.
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Old May 18 2009, 10:17 PM   #38
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You can search for the prints online, there are a few sites where you can download them. They are not bad, but I wouldn't use them if I were building something
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Old May 18 2009, 10:34 PM   #39
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It's been a long time since I looked at my copy of the Whitefire prints, but am I correct in assuming that his prints were of the "Encounter At Farpoint" 1701-D? Because if you recall, in the establishing shot of the 1701-D, in the start of the episode, we see the camera zoom in to where Picard is standing, in those forward rows of large windows, at the fore of the Shuttlebay/Bridge hump, on the saucer... and that room (the set) had the back wall of the Conference Room.
That was the conference room. The camera zooms in on the Enterprise's bow, then jumps to the rear of the conference room.
That room was a forward observation room of some kind. Yes, it was made from elements of the conference lounge, but I'm reasonably certain that it wasn't intended to be the conference lounge that we would come to know and love.

The camera zooms in on the bow of the ship, and then the image dissolves to a set of windows behind which Captain Picard is standing. The far wall doesn't have the trademark ship sculptures, and there is no reason to believe that we would be looking at a room whose windows face the back of the ship.
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Old May 18 2009, 10:34 PM   #40
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You can search for the prints online, there are a few sites where you can download them. They are not bad, but I wouldn't use them if I were building something
Why not? Just curious.
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Old May 19 2009, 01:28 AM   #41
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You can search for the prints online, there are a few sites where you can download them. They are not bad, but I wouldn't use them if I were building something
Why not? Just curious.
you mean besides deck 1 being wrong?
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Old May 19 2009, 01:49 AM   #42
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I don't yet understand why the Whitefire rendering of Deck 1 is any more or less "correct" than Sternbach's.
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Old May 19 2009, 02:37 AM   #43
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I don't yet understand why the Whitefire rendering of Deck 1 is any more or less "correct" than Sternbach's.
Because one is right the other is wrong. Neither are perfect. If deck 1 has such an error already, what other things could be wrong.
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Old May 19 2009, 03:45 AM   #44
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You substantiate your claim by restating your claim? Fascinating.
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I don't yet understand why the Whitefire rendering of Deck 1 is any more or less "correct" than Sternbach's.
Because one is right the other is wrong. Neither are perfect. If deck 1 has such an error already, what other things could be wrong.
Yes, but the question is WHY is it wrong?
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