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Old May 16 2009, 05:31 AM   #16
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ROFLMAO!!!

These are great!
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Old May 16 2009, 11:09 AM   #17
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I think this covers it.

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Old May 16 2009, 11:12 AM   #18
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The Abrams-verse is about to crash into the time-traveling Borg.

The Abrams-verse is clearly going to win.
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Old May 16 2009, 11:16 AM   #19
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I think this covers it.

. Perhaps it IS high time for a reboot.
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Old May 16 2009, 11:32 AM   #20
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I think this covers it.



In reality, Abramsverse could easily be ditched by another TV/movie producers for the original timeline or a new timeline.
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Old May 16 2009, 12:02 PM   #21
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Old May 16 2009, 12:08 PM   #22
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you DS9 to TOS
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Old May 16 2009, 12:31 PM   #23
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I believe Abramsverse also changes ENT, the events taking place in ENT require events in the 29th century/temporal cold war or whatever to stay the same. If Future Guy no longer exists or the Temporal Cold war no longer happens then the events in Enterprise must also have been altered.
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I believe Abramsverse also changes ENT, the events taking place in ENT require events in the 29th century/temporal cold war or whatever to stay the same. If Future Guy no longer exists or the Temporal Cold war no longer happens then the events in Enterprise must also have been altered.
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Old May 16 2009, 12:48 PM   #25
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Thanks for visualizing what I had But like I said, all them "other" events were ultimately corrected or were so tiny to begin with, they had no huge impact on the timeline (other than the FC Borg Debris).

Everything else was a Freak Wave. First Contact was like a Storm Surge. Nero was an asteroid created Tsunami. Thats the best analogy I can put it in in relation to its effect on time.
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Old May 16 2009, 03:10 PM   #26
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I believe Abramsverse also changes ENT, the events taking place in ENT require events in the 29th century/temporal cold war or whatever to stay the same. If Future Guy no longer exists or the Temporal Cold war no longer happens then the events in Enterprise must also have been altered.
No, as we have seen, once a time traveler changes the past, it stays changed.

Picard and the Borg still interfered with Cochrane's first warp flight before "Enterprise." FutureGuy and Daniels and the Sphere Builders still interfered with history during "Enterprise." And Nero and Spock interfered with history after "Enterprise."

In "Yesterday's Enterprise," when Lt. Yar went back in time on the Enterpirse-C, she and her daughter, Sela, still continued to exist in this new timeline, even if we never see their original timeline with the Klingon war again. Likewise, even if Nero erases the future existence of Daniels and FutureGuy, their visits to the past have already happened, and always will have happened. Like Yar and Sela, they may come from futures that will never happen in this timeline, but they were real when they came back to this timeline, and their actions are still a part of history.

As to the above chart, it is missing the 17 temporal incursions involving the U.S.S. Voyager, most notably the creation of Timeline 14-G by Captain Chakotay in "Timeless," and the creation of Timeline 29-A by Admiral Janeway in "Endgame."

(This Timeline 29-A is the one depicted in "Star Trek: Nemesis," as evidenced by Admiral Janeway's existence at Starfleet Command in that timeline, and Timeline 29-A is also known as the Prime Timeline, from which Nero and Spock came in "Star Trek XI," which ended up in Timeline 29-B, where Vulcan was destroyed.)

The last episode of "Enterprise" took place in Timeline 11-R, which was identical to Timeline 29-B up to Stardate 2233.04, when Nero arrived in the past.

And let's not forget all the alternate timelines created by the Vorgons in "Captain's Holiday."

We're going to need a bigger chart ...
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Old May 16 2009, 03:24 PM   #27
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Thanks for visualizing what I had But like I said, all them "other" events were ultimately corrected or were so tiny to begin with, they had no huge impact on the timeline (other than the FC Borg Debris).

Everything else was a Freak Wave. First Contact was like a Storm Surge. Nero was an asteroid created Tsunami. Thats the best analogy I can put it in in relation to its effect on time.
No, whether you go back and step on a single butterfly, or blow up an entire planet, it's still a new timeline. The magnitude of the changes has nothing to do with the fact that the timeline is changed merely by the act of time travel.

While many timelines are nearly identical (where the only difference in the entire Universe is that Worf's birthday cake is yellow instead of chocolate, as seen in "Parallels"), they are still different timelines.

Using your water analogy, whether it's a single drop of rain or a tidal wave, an act of time travel is creating an alternate timeline. The size of the splash merely determines how different (or similar) it will be to the time traveler's home timeline.
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Old May 16 2009, 03:42 PM   #28
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No, whether you go back and step on a single butterfly...
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Old May 16 2009, 04:11 PM   #29
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Thanks for visualizing what I had But like I said, all them "other" events were ultimately corrected or were so tiny to begin with, they had no huge impact on the timeline (other than the FC Borg Debris).

Everything else was a Freak Wave. First Contact was like a Storm Surge. Nero was an asteroid created Tsunami. Thats the best analogy I can put it in in relation to its effect on time.
No, whether you go back and step on a single butterfly, or blow up an entire planet, it's still a new timeline. The magnitude of the changes has nothing to do with the fact that the timeline is changed merely by the act of time travel.

While many timelines are nearly identical (where the only difference in the entire Universe is that Worf's birthday cake is yellow instead of chocolate, as seen in "Parallels"), they are still different timelines.

Using your water analogy, whether it's a single drop of rain or a tidal wave, an act of time travel is creating an alternate timeline. The size of the splash merely determines how different (or similar) it will be to the time traveler's home timeline.
Except everything prior to Nero created timelines which were very very very similar to the original, minus the timeline where the borg debris was discovered (which is the same timeline that First Contact created).

Between FC and Nero, there was no known time travel incursions between 2163(when I think Regeneration Took place) and 2233 (the temporal cold war does not count, because it eventually didnt even happen).

Now, the first minute or so of the new movie takes place in the First Contact timeline which is the timeline Enterprise took place in, and the past of the future characters of Picard and Co had observed (Schrodinger's Cat and all that, if it is seen, it sticks) thus this is the closest timeline to the universe it had originated from - The Moment Nero comes out of the singularity, then we are in the new timeline which is vastly different. Hence, First Contact is a storm surge (a larger than usual shift in the timeline, but still fairly normal) and Nero is a Tsunami (A Giant, Universe changing shift).
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Old May 16 2009, 04:14 PM   #30
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I prefer the alternate quantum reality theory (seen here), for that permits the future exploration of the 24th and 25th centuries. Not only has this theory been incorporated to permit ST:Online, but statements from the ST11 screenwriters indicate that this was their intent -- they point to "Parallels" for inspiration for the time travel.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I wouldn't want you guys parading your Prime Timeline disrupting theory without a counterargument logged.
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