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Old May 16 2009, 03:39 AM   #181
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Re: Lost Fifth Season Finale: "The Incident"

Damn, that was a great episode. All about the god-damned Jacob, all of the time, at long last.
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Old May 16 2009, 04:18 AM   #182
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Regarding Juliet's odds of survival, they may just have gotten worse. Elizabeth Mitchell's series V has been greenlit by ABC - it's a limited series, but she's the lead actor and if it does well, it will probably go to full series. So it's a mixed message - not at all clear whether it would impact her role on Lost - and anyway, it sounds like a cool series with a great cast so I'm happy whatever happens.
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Old May 16 2009, 07:42 AM   #183
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I thought that changing the timeline means that any injuries that people have now will go poof as they are returned to their original state, on Flight 815 or wherever they might be. (Their memories will be gone as well.)
That's why I said that if they DO change the timeline who knows what will happen, but if they don't, and are just transported back to 2007 with no timeline changes, then Juliet's a goner.
Nobody else on the Island has survived a fatal injury.

Boone, Shannon, Libby, Eko, Nikki, Paulo, Arst, Anna Lucia.....

Even members of the Others haven't cheated death.
Mikhail got shot by a fucking harpoon.

That being said, I'd imagine Sayid has problems, since Jacob is dead now and can't heal him.
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Old May 16 2009, 10:29 AM   #184
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No, we're talking about changing the timeline, not maintaining the current one. So, it does work. There's already proof of being able to change time. In the first episode with Miles with the kid. Daniel talks to Desmond in the past who suddenly remembers it in the future. He didn't remember that before.

Also, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid were not supposed to go back to 1977 originally. Yet, Daniel's mom and Jacob have helped ensure that they will. Anything they do is different than the previous time loop. Their present in the past is already rippling to the present. The picture in the Dharmaville. That's an immediate change.

So, yes, things will look consistent to a point from the point of view of the characters in the present. But, we're talking changing the timeline.
I'm not sure I explained my argument clearly. i understand that you're talking about changing the timeline. But that would mean that there's an "original timeline" in which the Losties never went back to the 1970s and an "altered timeline" in which they did. But if that's the case, then the version of 2007 that we've been watching all season long is the "altered timeline", not the original one. We know this because there's a picture of the Losties from the Dharma era, and because Richard says he remembers them and "watched them die".

So nothing they did back in the 1970s prevented, say, Jacob from being killed. Because their actions are already part of the timeline that we've been watching all season, and Jacob was in fact killed.
Depends how time works in Lost doesn't it? Right now it seems like it can loop rather than create alternative time lines. We've seen that already. I've theorized elsewhere (oh, wait, actually in this thread) that what we're watching now may already be an interation in a time loop that goes around. A signiture of a time loop that is manipulated would be unusual concidences. What do we have in a lost, a bunch of unusual conincidences. The whys of that, I won't repeat but I've tossed it out earlier in this thread. It's a wild theory, I could well be wrong.

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I suppose they could do it that way, but I kind of doubt they will. I'm inclined to think that the time travel was largely a plot device to get the Losties back in Dharma times so that they could be a part of important events in the Island's past. I don't know that it'll necessarily play a big role next season. I'm thinking that maybe the nuke going off will just transport them back to the present, and the rest of the final season will be Losties + Others vs. Jacob's rival in the present.

While there's something weird with Desmond's memory, other than that, I don't know that there are necessarily different iterations of the timeline that change. Yes, Faraday said that they weren't supposed to be there, but Faraday is the one who was trying to *change* things. I assumed he meant that Jack, Kate, and Hurley weren't supposed to be there because their being there was already part of history, and Faraday was trying to change history. When Faraday was dying, he seemed to realize that nothing had actually changed, as he realized that his mother killing him was something that was already part of the timeline, and she had known that would happen to him throughout his life.

With regard to the Incident, it looks like the Swan going crazy and magnetically attracting everything is exactly what happened in the Season 2 finale. I assume that was the Incident. The nuke then goes off, but remember, it's only "part of the bomb", not enough to kill everyone on the surface, just enough to temporarily contain the "pocket of energy". I assume they still end up having to install the system with the button, and that everything plays out like it always did. In Season 2, Sayid even comments on how much concrete surrounds the Swan, and that he hasn't seen things being so reinforced by concrete since "Chernobyl", which I think is a hint that a nuke had gone off there. So again, I think the nuke going off was always part of history.

I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe they did change the timeline. But that doesn't fit with how TV shows, including Lost, normally handle such things. The nuke going off is one of those classic cliffhanger mysteries that usually ends with nothing of consequence changing. I think Juliet is probably dead, and the nuke may have somehow transported them back to the present, but other than that I don't think anything will change.
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Old May 16 2009, 01:29 PM   #185
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Watched it again with my 8 year old daughter who loves this show. She jumped up and down shouting "I knew it!" when Locke was dumped out of the box.

Something that struck me this time around was the lying that fauxLocke was doing to Ben at the beginning of the episode. This guy sure is a deceiver.

At the end, as Ben is examining the tapestry, Jacob asks if he likes it and remarks it took a long time to get the threads in place. It finally dawned on my marble head that the threads he was weaving were the lives of our Losties and guiding them to the Island. Wonderful imagery.
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Old May 16 2009, 03:31 PM   #186
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I saw the teaser again and noticed that Jacob is wearing a white shirt and his beach buddy is wearing a black one.
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Old May 17 2009, 01:35 AM   #187
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I was just watching the finale again and it really struck me, Ben is still the 'leader', only the leader can request an audience with Jacob, and thats why "Locke" had to convince him and bring him in, had "Locke" gone in alone, no Jacob would have appeared, so not only does he need Ben to do the actual killing but he needs Ben just to make sure Jacob even appears.
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Old May 17 2009, 03:20 AM   #188
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...fauxLocke...
I read someone on TWOP calling him Un-Locke. Which as nicknames go is pretty cool.
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Old May 17 2009, 03:58 AM   #189
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Excellent. I love that I never know what's going to happen and that it continues to surprise me (pleasantly).
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I was just watching the finale again and it really struck me, Ben is still the 'leader', only the leader can request an audience with Jacob, and thats why "Locke" had to convince him and bring him in, had "Locke" gone in alone, no Jacob would have appeared, so not only does he need Ben to do the actual killing but he needs Ben just to make sure Jacob even appears.
Hmm...interesting observation, although Richard wasn't too keen on seeing Ben again.
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Old May 17 2009, 10:03 AM   #191
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I read someone on TWOP calling him Un-Locke. Which as nicknames go is pretty cool.


How about calling him Notcke?
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Old May 17 2009, 03:19 PM   #192
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For those of you who want a few insights as to what season 6 may hold... (possible spoilers regarding next season's characters who return) see below:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024255.html

and scroll down to the "Lost Season 6 Spoilers" section for more (i.e. status of Juliet in season 6):

http://www.lostseason6.com/
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Old May 17 2009, 04:07 PM   #193
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For those of you who want a few insights as to what season 6 may hold... (possible spoilers regarding next season's characters who return) see below:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024255.html

and scroll down to the "Lost Season 6 Spoilers" section for more (i.e. status of Juliet in season 6):

http://www.lostseason6.com/

Ugh, to look or not to look. This is gonna be a tough wait.
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Old May 17 2009, 05:35 PM   #194
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I generally only follow producer's comments. I try to avoid everything else. Where are these spoilers coming from?
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Old May 17 2009, 08:38 PM   #195
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I'm starting to wonder who exactly wanted that runway built in season three? Was it Jacob or Esau? It seems to fit with Esau's plans of bringing the Oceanic 6 back on the Ajira flight. Could Esau have been posing as Jacob and tricking Richard with his own instructions?
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Jacob didn't necessarily cause that to happen, though. He may have saved Sayid from becoming the topping.
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I'd say "what lies in the shadow of the Statue" is clearly Jacob since he lives in the rooms between the toes or the legs or what have you. And they serve Jacob.
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We did. Locke.
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