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Old May 15 2009, 12:29 PM   #121
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

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"Enterprise" took place in the 2150s. "Star Trek XI" takes place in the 2250s. The "Temporal Integrity Commission" is from the 31st Century. Who's to say that Daniels and the other "time cops" are not actually from the future depicted in this new movie, and they view everything that Nero did as a part of their own history?

Captain Braxton and his 29th Century Starfleet timeships on "Voyager" could be from an entirely different future, as were the Sphere-builders who manipulated the Xindi, and FutureGuy who manipulated the Suliban, and many other factions, each working to preserve their own timeline, not the "correct" timeline.

Daniels and Braxton and FutureGuy and others were all working to preserve their own pasts, but they are not all necessarily from the same future.

What about the Vorgons in "Captain's Holiday," or Captain Kirk in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"? They were looking out for their own interests as well. That's what all time travelers do. Some just call themselves "time police" so they feel justified messing around with the timeline, but their goal is always selfish.
With the exception of all time travellers being selfish, i'd argue Sam Beckett and certainly The Doctor arent, i agree 100%. Nothing in the new film contradicts the existance of Enterprise, heck if you ask me the Xindi attack is likely a big reason why the Starfleet of this timeline is a lot more militaristic and advanced than the Real One.
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Old May 15 2009, 01:53 PM   #122
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I guess you could say this timeline starts with FIRST CONTACT

a) FIRST CONTACT goes back in time, alters it; causing Zephrim to name the first warp 5 vessel after the ship from the future that helped him complete his first warp jump.
b) Spherebuilders mess up early federation history in the expanse, with a possible future where they win the TCW(temp cold war).
c) With the victory over the SB in ENT, the TCW end.
d) the perturbation caused by Enterprise-E and subsequent TCW cause the federation to accelerate their rate of technologocal advancement(as seen by the early adaptation of Photon Torpedos in ENT). This is why the Kelvin is more advanced than the prime timeline.
e) This causes the Kelvin to be in the exact location(it might not be there without the advanced tech gained after the TCW) that nero emerges from instead of somewhere else, giving rise to the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE in STAR TREK 2009.
f) perturpations are throwing a rock in a pond the waves get weaker the farther from the original location of the wave. The further in history we go from the emmergance of the Narada the less likely the future is changed by it. Which is perhaps why the TIC hasn't interfered yet.
g) Perhaps TIC set the course of events to blow up romulus to prevent TCW II, thereby setting up the chain of events that lead up to this alternet universe.
h) Time is relative. if we go by Quantum mechanics multi-world theory, then there is just as likely a version of PRIME that the star didnt go nova before spock could stop it, therefor negating the need to even fix a timeline. In QM prime time line still exists; but as I said above what is that timeline? Each time ST went back in time they came back to a diffrent future even if they made the future's appear as though nothing happened in the fielf of view of the observer(ie those that went back in time).
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Old May 15 2009, 02:22 PM   #123
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Yet another question. Why didn't they prevent Captain Picard from sending Tasha Yar and the Enterprise C back to alter history?
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Old May 15 2009, 03:43 PM   #124
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It could be great to have temporal agents that fix the time line in the next movie!

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Old May 15 2009, 04:24 PM   #125
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Old May 15 2009, 04:26 PM   #126
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Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
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Old May 15 2009, 04:29 PM   #127
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I guess in a way I'm glad I stopped watching Enterprise after the first season. This crap seems like it would give me a big headache.
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Old May 15 2009, 04:33 PM   #128
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So, do we know for a fact that Daniels' future is the "Prime TOS" timeline? Perhaps Daniels comes from the Abramsverse.

(although that doesn't explain Voyager's temporal police.)
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Old May 15 2009, 04:34 PM   #129
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I'm rather a big ENT fan even though I grew up watching TNG as a little kid with my dad. This is more of a jest post. In reality we all know if mullti-world theory of Quantum Mechanics is correct not only does the original worldline exist still(post nova without spock prime as he left), but there is another worldline in which the star doesnt go nova just moments before spock can fix it, thus preserving Romulus and preventing the singularity.
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Old May 15 2009, 04:41 PM   #130
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teacherbrock wrote: View Post
Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
Yeah -- we can only hope Ambassador Soval was still alive and on Vulcan so he could die a horrible death while his planet implodes around him.
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Old May 15 2009, 04:45 PM   #131
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The star going nova is not unlike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat Schrödinger's cat.

The star going nova at that exact moment is based on the collapse of the wave function of the first particle that started the nova reaction. The decay of that first particle exists as a wave of potentials and each wave collapses into an infinitive number of alternate worldlines. This means that the star doesn't go nova at all in one world line, it waits just long enough for Spock to stop it in another.
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Old May 15 2009, 06:26 PM   #132
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Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
Yeah -- we can only hope Ambassador Soval was still alive and on Vulcan so he could die a horrible death while his planet implodes around him.
That guy was one of the most emotional vulcans ever. Lotta rage and envy in that guy.
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Old May 15 2009, 06:31 PM   #133
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teacherbrock wrote: View Post
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Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
Yeah -- we can only hope Ambassador Soval was still alive and on Vulcan so he could die a horrible death while his planet implodes around him.
That guy was one of the most emotional vulcans ever. Lotta rage and envy in that guy.
Perhaps he was the one who taught SHOUTY SPOCK how to control his emotions so effectively.
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Old May 15 2009, 06:34 PM   #134
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Jackson_Roykirk wrote: View Post
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Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
Yeah -- we can only hope Ambassador Soval was still alive and on Vulcan so he could die a horrible death while his planet implodes around him.
He didn't: see the 4th season Vulcan arc.

Actually, Manny Coto tried to rehabilitate the 22nd century Vulcans' image in that season, including Soval. He did a pretty decent job of it.
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Old May 18 2009, 03:19 PM   #135
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Jackson_Roykirk wrote: View Post
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Just think...no more Vulcan High Command. hehe.
Yeah -- we can only hope Ambassador Soval was still alive and on Vulcan so he could die a horrible death while his planet implodes around him.
Just like you have said and others this is a plausible idea. It actually does make more sense that DANIELS would be from the abramsverse future. Seeing how 1) ENT is an alternate prequel past, ie the result of the enterpriese-e interference with FIRST CONTACT and 2) ENT being the only continuity that survives in the abramsverse.

Will Kirk Prime meet Kirk-new when they go back in time to get humbacks to save earth from the whale rod ship thingy? hehe I'd like to see Abrams bring back a ST series, he does so well at TV; if anyone could bring back ST televetion it would be him.
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