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Old May 12 2009, 02:24 AM   #16
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i hope disney goes back to it's musical toons that they used to do so well. well enough to be nominated for best picture along with live-action shows.
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Old May 12 2009, 02:38 AM   #17
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yeah I also feel that there's nothing really "wow" about this particular story, its feels like another variation of what we've see in the past, in the same mold of Little Mermiad & Aladdin, in fact I think its the same directors.

the thing is, back when Disney tried to do something out of the norm for them(Atlantis, Treasure Planet) they bombed badly (those films sort of became scapegoats for the death of 2d) & they were probably hesitant to do anything too daring & unfamilar for their first venture back to the 2d format.

Im hoping PATF is a success though, b/c then maybe Lasseter will encourage looking for more varied or even edgier fare to adapt in 2d. Here's hoping.
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Old May 12 2009, 03:34 AM   #18
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I do have high hopes for Disney now that Lasseter is in charge. I mean, Bolt, the first movie to be done under his leadership, was amazing. He's smart and really seems to understand that Disney magic. So I'll second your sentiment. Here's hoping.
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Old May 12 2009, 03:36 AM   #19
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I disagree. One of the things that has always set the Disney full length animated films apart from the rest of the cartoon movies out there is that they were meant to be enjoyed by adults as well as children. They've got adult messages as well as childhood morals. They teach lessens while entertaining. Even their less serious movies, like Emperor's New Groove, still had plenty of adult humor. So I don't think the opinion of the children is really the selling point with these big 2-D movies.
Er, no.

Disney (and Pixar) makes children's films, ones that mom and dad can enjoy (instead of suffering in silence for an hour and a half), and which also have a distinct minority adult fan base. But the primary audience is children (and their parents).

Which, anyway, I'm not sure what your post has to do with my point, which was that children don't really care whether a film is 2D or 3D (nor do parents prioritize that when looking for a film to take their kids to).
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Old May 12 2009, 03:40 AM   #20
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I disagree. One of the things that has always set the Disney full length animated films apart from the rest of the cartoon movies out there is that they were meant to be enjoyed by adults as well as children. They've got adult messages as well as childhood morals. They teach lessens while entertaining. Even their less serious movies, like Emperor's New Groove, still had plenty of adult humor. So I don't think the opinion of the children is really the selling point with these big 2-D movies.
Er, no.

Disney (and Pixar) makes children's films, ones that mom and dad can enjoy (instead of suffering in silence for an hour and a half), and which also have a distinct minority adult fan base. But the primary audience is children (and their parents).

Which, anyway, I'm not sure what your post has to do with my point, which was that children don't really care whether a film is 2D or 3D (nor do parents prioritize that when looking for a film to take their kids to).
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm trying to make the point that the most popular and long lasting cartoons are the ones that appeal to adults as well as children. It's why Loony Toons were so successful. And it's why a lot of the Disney films have been so successful. I wasn't making a comment about 2D vs 3D, I was merely pointing out that Children aren't the only consideration when making a film like this.
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Old May 12 2009, 04:05 AM   #21
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Looks good. But how long until someone says it's racist?
I've honestly been wondering if Disney is paranoid about doing cartoons of black people. They managed to do two animated movies set in Africa (The Lion King and Tarzan) without depicting black people. It was downright weird. Hey Fantasia was a long, long time ago, and that scene has been censored for decades. Get over it, Disney!

This movie looks cute, even if Shrek has already covered that particular turf...
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Old May 12 2009, 08:06 PM   #22
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Looks good. probably won't see it but glad Disney 2D is getting a second chance
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Old May 13 2009, 12:05 AM   #23
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I get the horrible feeling that it will either be great or very very bad. Hoping for 2D animations sake it's the former.
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Old May 13 2009, 04:25 AM   #24
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Looks good. But how long until someone says it's racist?
I've honestly been wondering if Disney is paranoid about doing cartoons of black people. They managed to do two animated movies set in Africa (The Lion King and Tarzan) without depicting black people. It was downright weird. Hey Fantasia was a long, long time ago, and that scene has been censored for decades. Get over it, Disney!

This movie looks cute, even if Shrek has already covered that particular turf...
They've been paranoid since Song of the South.
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Old May 13 2009, 10:57 AM   #25
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Frogs aren't fuzzy, but they are animals.

All the talk about 2D vs. 3D misses the mark, I think, regarding the primary audience, ie, children. They don't really make decisions about what movies they want to see along those lines, and it's not like they're biassed against 2D anyway (pretty much all the cartoons they watch are 2D).

I disagree. One of the things that has always set the Disney full length animated films apart from the rest of the cartoon movies out there is that they were meant to be enjoyed by adults as well as children. They've got adult messages as well as childhood morals. They teach lessens while entertaining. Even their less serious movies, like Emperor's New Groove, still had plenty of adult humor. So I don't think the opinion of the children is really the selling point with these big 2-D movies.

The bottom line for me is that it just doesn't feel like a big Disney movie. I may be proved wrong, but from the previews I've seen...it seems more on a level with movies like Anastasia than Lion King or Mulan.
Anastasia was a fantastic film IMO, great music. Mulan was as wonderful as well.

Emperor's New Groove has to be one of the more underrated movies that Disney has produced. Four words:

I'm a llama again

One of my favorite quotes ever.
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Old May 14 2009, 03:30 PM   #26
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Anastasia and I think it's got some beautiful songs in it. But it lacks the overall granduer of Disney magic. That's why I put Frog Princess girl in the same catagory.
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Old May 14 2009, 03:42 PM   #27
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Emperor's New Groove has to be one of the more underrated movies that Disney has produced. Four words:

I'm a llama again

One of my favorite quotes ever.
Emperor's New Groove is so awesome that my cousin, who normally keeps tracks of these things, was surprised when I told him it was a Disney film. For some reason he thought it was a Dreamworks or other film since it's so different then the normal Disney style. And he'd seen it like three times at that point
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Old May 14 2009, 03:51 PM   #28
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Anastasia and I think it's got some beautiful songs in it. But it lacks the overall granduer of Disney magic.
That might be because it was produced by Twentieth Century Fox, not Disney.
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Old May 14 2009, 05:18 PM   #29
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Anastasia and I think it's got some beautiful songs in it. But it lacks the overall granduer of Disney magic.
That might be because it was produced by Twentieth Century Fox, not Disney.

You're taking me too literally. I know it wasn't mde by Disney. That's why I'm drawing the comparison.
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