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Old May 12 2009, 09:08 PM   #1246
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Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager

Sorry for this.
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Old May 12 2009, 09:39 PM   #1247
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Agreed - that would have been a lovely send-off for Kes. A part of me wants to believe that somewhere in the back of the writers minds, that was the original intention for Kes, giving her friends that push they needed to get home in the final episode, though I know the evidence doesn't support that.
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Old May 12 2009, 09:56 PM   #1248
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As I see it, no one should have written any "swan song" for Kes.

The character is to good to be dumped for very dubious reasons, like a piece of trash.

There shouldn't have been any "send off" at all.
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Old May 12 2009, 09:58 PM   #1249
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Frankly I'd rather have seen Harry get eaten inside out by those tentacles than see Kes leave.
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Old May 12 2009, 10:00 PM   #1250
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Frankly I'd rather have seen Harry get eaten inside out by those tentacles than see Kes leave.
Nah, I don't want to dump Harry either, even if he's a rather weak character compared to the others. None of the main characters should have been dumped.
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Old May 13 2009, 12:24 AM   #1251
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Day of Honour (**½)

Shuttles Lost: 6

I just gave you that motherfrakking shuttle!! What the frak are you morons doing?! It was a gift, and you spit it back in my face?! I ought to strangle the lot of you!!

*cough*

Does anybody know what the point of the first half of this episode was? There was a lot of stuff about B'Elanna and some Klingon ritual and there didn't seem to be much of a point to it, and to be perfectly frank I found it boring. "Me, B'Elanna. Me Klingon. Me angry." Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard it all before.

The second half where Tom and B'Elanna are trapped in space was quite good, I wish that had been the whole episode. Not only was it just two characters talking, something I immensely enjoy watching, but it felt unique because it took place in space and I don't remember seeing that in Star Trek before. It appeals to the nerdy side of my nature that would love to float about in space for a few hours, although preferably with a full oxygen supply.

The b-story involving Seven was your run of the mill Star Trek story that had some very hokey dialogue towards the end. At least Jeri Ryan toned it down this week, and my ears thank her for that.
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Old May 13 2009, 12:26 AM   #1252
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I tend to agree. More stranded in space second part, less first part, no Seven b-story and we've got a nice dramatic episode.

(And I should have warned you they would have looked the gift-horse-shuttle in the mouth! )
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Old May 13 2009, 12:53 AM   #1253
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(And I should have warned you they would have looked the gift-horse-shuttle in the mouth! )
I don't think the writers of this show like me. Did Jeri Taylor write this because of what I said about Coda?
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Old May 13 2009, 01:10 AM   #1254
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(And I should have warned you they would have looked the gift-horse-shuttle in the mouth! )
I don't think the writers of this show like me. Did Jeri Taylor write this because of what I said about Coda?
I think that's a distinct possibility...
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Old May 13 2009, 01:13 AM   #1255
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That's it then, if the writers are this sensitive then there's no way I'm going to see Trek XII.
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Old May 13 2009, 01:19 AM   #1256
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Depending what my reaction is in about 45 minutes when I go, I may not either.
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Old May 13 2009, 01:21 AM   #1257
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Just say really nice things about it and they'll make a sequel just for you. I think that's how it works.
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Old May 13 2009, 04:03 AM   #1258
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The Gift...meh. Would have worked better if there was a longer build up to Kosmic Kes. I would have rather seen BLT, Neelix or Harry get the boot.

Day of Honor. I don't know, I'm just not a big fan of BLT centric eps. I never really liked the BLT/Paris pairing that much. I just don't get why anybody would want to be with BLT. For me the spooning in space part was cringe worthy in the extreme.
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Old May 13 2009, 09:30 AM   #1259
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The Gift...meh. Would have worked better if there was a longer build up to Kosmic Kes.
I've always felt that this story was nicely set up in "Before & After", and that this was just the fallout from that episode. I honestly don't care what was going on behind the scenes and don't really want to know. In that previous episode they show that Kes has lived her entire life span - and she had a good full life, but instead of dying, she travels back through time to the 3rd Season of Voyager. So everything after that point is just extra time; every day after that has been a gift that she shouldn't be experiencing anyways. She'd been known to have wacky mind powers since Seasons 1 & 2, and I just connected that with her extra long life (for her species) so that this 'death' (which really isn't a death, but still...) felt appropriate to me. I took this as a sign that Voyager was actually showing the consequences of her life experience (a rare thing on this show) - so I was moved by that.

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Day of Honour (**½)
This rating seems about right...and yet when I think about episodes with previous ratings such as this from previous seasons...I enjoyed this one more than those, and would be more prone to seeing this one. If that makes any sense.

I like the T/B thing. At the time it aired I felt it was another step in the right direction for this series. It flowed nicely with a few moments from the previous season. I don't know that they were always handled extremely well, but this was a nice step, and I was glad to see we were seeing character relationships being built that seemed to reflect the situation of the series.

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Old May 13 2009, 11:16 AM   #1260
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Frankly I'd rather have seen Harry get eaten inside out by those tentacles than see Kes leave.
Well said.

Still, from what I remember, "The Gift" was as good an exit for Kes as they could have hoped to have done. It's a shame "Fury" went and shat on everything a few years later. I actually only saw it the once, probably when it was first on, so I need to revisit it.

My nitpick was that Kes supposedly threw them clear of Borg space, and I think that is consistent with the rest of series four. Yet from the fifth season onwards, they couldn't move for Borg cubes. Couldn't she have sent them 60,000 light years rather than 6000? Gift horses, mouths, and all that.

"Day of Honour" is just an excuse to get Torres and Paris together, and as such it does the job fairly well. It's a shame they had to do the "trapped and dying" cliché, but at least having them in space was actually a new idea for Star Trek - and probably better visually than the alternative of trapping them in the caves set. I liked the fact that they couldn't touch because of the space suits though. I think their relationship was actually one of the best things about latter-day Voyager, as it was very believable, but they had fights and acted like a couple. Other Trek couples, like Riker and Troi, Worf and Troi, Chakotay and Seven, and to an extent Worf and Dax, didn't really have that.
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