A Khan Sequel ?

srombomb · May 12 2009, 02:05 AM

I think some people are afraid to retread similar characters, but the producers of the Dark Knight didn't shy away from bringing the Joker character back as a lead villain, and I think the writers of Trek would be doing themselves a disservice to not bring back and update such a multi-layered character in Trek lore.

Only this time, instead of being hampered by a 12 million dollar budget like Harve Bennett and co. was, they will have ample money to spend to create locations and situations that we never got to see in the original Wrath of Kahn. Namely, a proper fight scene between Kirk and Kahn. I always thought that was just ridiculous the Shat and Ricardo Montalban never got screen time together in WOK. Your telling me they couldn't have at least had the two fight inside a corridor? Anyway, the point is with a bigtime budget, you could truly make Kahn and his followers that much more menacing. I also think another element needs to be in play. Double the danger. Maybe Kahn aligns himself with the Klingons? Maybe Kahn steals the Enterprise altogether? So many possibilities.

But seriously, people would come to the theatre in droves to see a sequel with Kahn as a headliner. Even those who are saying right now they don't like the idea of bringing him back, would indeed be first in line.

Oddly enough, a week ago, I told my brother the only actor I could see even holding a candle to Ricardo Montalbans performance would be Javier Bardem. Glad to see the writers see it the same way. He has the menacing look one would need to pull it off, as well as the acting chops. Bardem could play Kahn more like what Montalban did in Space Seed, very serious with less focus on one liners.

Anyone agree Kahn should be in a sequel?

Awesome Possum · May 12 2009, 02:07 AM

I want to see him at some point.

srombomb · May 12 2009, 02:13 AM

And that's my point, who wouldn't wanna see Kahn again on the big screen? The key would be making him evil enough so that the audience doesn't lose sight of the characters their supposed to love: Kirk and co.

I do think they should tighten up the next movie and make it much more serious, much more Dark Knight in the sense the characters truly look like they don't know what there dealing with if Kahn is to be the lead antagonist.

Maybe Kahn and his followers have on board something like a disease that could wipe out everything in existence from their time period. There are so many possibilities in terms of what you could make Kahn and co. all about this time out.

Brutal Strudel · May 12 2009, 02:15 AM

I'm all for it. Especially if Wilmer Valderama plays him.
"We have some questions--"
"I grow fatigued."
"But Khan--"
"I said good day!"

Ovation · May 12 2009, 02:16 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing "Kahn" at all--it would be neat to explore an entirely new villain--as long as they stay away from "Khan", he's old hat.

(sorry, couldn't resist).

To be honest, I'd put that way down on my list of things to do with sequels. I am happy to shed "canon" precisely because it opens up NEW possibilities. I don't want to rehash old ones.

Aragorn · May 12 2009, 02:22 AM

What about dual villains -- one old, one new? Khan can be the minor bad guy who turns out to be the bigger problem at the end.

jamestyler · May 12 2009, 02:23 AM

Ovation wrote:

To be honest, I'd put that way down on my list of things to do with sequels. I am happy to shed "canon" precisely because it opens up NEW possibilities. I don't want to rehash old ones.

Exactly how I feel. Besides, the Khan everyone remembers is a revenge film. Space Seed v2.0 wouldn't be as intriguing on the big screen, nor would it make a good starting point unless they really went to Dark Knight levels of writing. Which wouldn't work.

T'Paul · May 12 2009, 02:24 AM

I think that the filmmakers are pretending that Star Trek is in the same universe we live in, and it would be tough to explain why we haven't been through the Eugenics Wars.

srombomb · May 12 2009, 02:26 AM

Yeh I agree, you need more than just Kahn. A third element has to be in play to keep it from seeming like a total remake of Wrath of Kahn.

I say have Kahn be the reason an interstellar war gets set off. And maybe reveal Kahn not until the midway point of the movie as being the cause.

Garibaldi O'brien · May 12 2009, 02:30 AM

Brutal Strudel wrote:

I'm all for it. Especially if Wilmer Valderama plays him.
"We have some questions--"
"I grow fatigued."
"But Khan--"
"I said good day!"

Wilmer Valderama!

Oh that's not a Khan choice to me. I like the guy, but watching Fez play Khan would take a lot more performance power than I think he has.

Now Antonio Bandares or John Leguizamo maybe...

Captain_Rogers · May 12 2009, 02:31 AM

I disagree.

I want to see something completely different and new, I don't want retreads of religious canon.

I would much prefer to see something where going in I have absolutely no clue about anyone. I want it all to be a surprise and new.

A new alien species maybe, anything but that which has already been.

T'Paul · May 12 2009, 02:33 AM

Captain_Rogers wrote:

I disagree.

I want to see something completely different and new, I don't want retreads of religious canon.

I would much prefer to see something where going in I have absolutely no clue about anyone. I want it all to be a surprise and new.

A new alien species maybe, anything but that which has already been.

How could a new alien species show up without time travel. The area of space within the Federation's range in the movie time period has already been well explored by the TNG era.

Garibaldi O'brien · May 12 2009, 02:34 AM

The movie I want next is an "Arena" movie. It's one of the episodes that I would love to see get a JJ movie treatment. Then, some sort of Space Ameoba / Doomsday Machine for the third film. Although, as I type it I can't help but think that Nero's red-matter mining rig is already a very pointy Doomday machine without the gaping maw fatal flaw...

Brutal Strudel · May 12 2009, 02:36 AM

Garibaldi O'brien wrote:

Brutal Strudel wrote:

I'm all for it. Especially if Wilmer Valderama plays him.
"We have some questions--"
"I grow fatigued."
"But Khan--"
"I said good day!"

Wilmer Valderama!

Oh that's not a Khan choice to me. I like the guy, but watching Fez play Khan would take a lot more performance power than I think he has.

Now Antonio Bandares or John Leguizamo maybe...

I was kidding, you know.

T'Paul · May 12 2009, 02:38 AM

I think Richard Simmons would make a great Khan.

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May 12 2009, 02:05 AM	#1
srombomb Lieutenant	A Khan Sequel ? I think some people are afraid to retread similar characters, but the producers of the Dark Knight didn't shy away from bringing the Joker character back as a lead villain, and I think the writers of Trek would be doing themselves a disservice to not bring back and update such a multi-layered character in Trek lore. Only this time, instead of being hampered by a 12 million dollar budget like Harve Bennett and co. was, they will have ample money to spend to create locations and situations that we never got to see in the original Wrath of Kahn. Namely, a proper fight scene between Kirk and Kahn. I always thought that was just ridiculous the Shat and Ricardo Montalban never got screen time together in WOK. Your telling me they couldn't have at least had the two fight inside a corridor? Anyway, the point is with a bigtime budget, you could truly make Kahn and his followers that much more menacing. I also think another element needs to be in play. Double the danger. Maybe Kahn aligns himself with the Klingons? Maybe Kahn steals the Enterprise altogether? So many possibilities. But seriously, people would come to the theatre in droves to see a sequel with Kahn as a headliner. Even those who are saying right now they don't like the idea of bringing him back, would indeed be first in line. Oddly enough, a week ago, I told my brother the only actor I could see even holding a candle to Ricardo Montalbans performance would be Javier Bardem. Glad to see the writers see it the same way. He has the menacing look one would need to pull it off, as well as the acting chops. Bardem could play Kahn more like what Montalban did in Space Seed, very serious with less focus on one liners. Anyone agree Kahn should be in a sequel?

May 12 2009, 02:07 AM	#2
Awesome Possum Herald of the Ponies Location: Jewel HQ	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I want to see him at some point. __________________ I am at heart a propagandist, a tremendous hater, a tiresome nag, complacently positive that there is no human problem which could not be solved if people would simply do as I advise. -Gore Vidal

May 12 2009, 02:13 AM	#3
srombomb Lieutenant	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... And that's my point, who wouldn't wanna see Kahn again on the big screen? The key would be making him evil enough so that the audience doesn't lose sight of the characters their supposed to love: Kirk and co. I do think they should tighten up the next movie and make it much more serious, much more Dark Knight in the sense the characters truly look like they don't know what there dealing with if Kahn is to be the lead antagonist. Maybe Kahn and his followers have on board something like a disease that could wipe out everything in existence from their time period. There are so many possibilities in terms of what you could make Kahn and co. all about this time out.

May 12 2009, 02:15 AM	#4
Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Location: Here, frozen between time and place, not even the brightest lights escape...	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I'm all for it. Especially if Wilmer Valderama plays him. "We have some questions--" "I grow fatigued." "But Khan--" "I said good day!" __________________ Once every lifetime, we're swallowed by the whale.

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May 12 2009, 02:16 AM	#5
Ovation Vice Admiral Location: La Belle Province or The Green Mountain State (depends on the day of the week)	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I wouldn't mind seeing "Kahn" at all--it would be neat to explore an entirely new villain--as long as they stay away from "Khan", he's old hat. (sorry, couldn't resist). To be honest, I'd put that way down on my list of things to do with sequels. I am happy to shed "canon" precisely because it opens up NEW possibilities. I don't want to rehash old ones.

May 12 2009, 02:22 AM	#6
Aragorn Admiral	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... What about dual villains -- one old, one new? Khan can be the minor bad guy who turns out to be the bigger problem at the end.

May 12 2009, 02:24 AM	#8
T'Paul Commander Location: Parents' basement	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I think that the filmmakers are pretending that Star Trek is in the same universe we live in, and it would be tough to explain why we haven't been through the Eugenics Wars.

May 12 2009, 02:26 AM	#9
srombomb Lieutenant	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... Yeh I agree, you need more than just Kahn. A third element has to be in play to keep it from seeming like a total remake of Wrath of Kahn. I say have Kahn be the reason an interstellar war gets set off. And maybe reveal Kahn not until the midway point of the movie as being the cause.

May 12 2009, 02:31 AM	#11
Captain_Rogers Lieutenant Commander	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I disagree. I want to see something completely different and new, I don't want retreads of religious canon. I would much prefer to see something where going in I have absolutely no clue about anyone. I want it all to be a surprise and new. A new alien species maybe, anything but that which has already been.

May 12 2009, 02:34 AM	#13
Garibaldi O'brien Rear Admiral Location: FL, USA	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... The movie I want next is an "Arena" movie. It's one of the episodes that I would love to see get a JJ movie treatment. Then, some sort of Space Ameoba / Doomsday Machine for the third film. Although, as I type it I can't help but think that Nero's red-matter mining rig is already a very pointy Doomday machine without the gaping maw fatal flaw...

May 12 2009, 02:38 AM	#15
T'Paul Commander Location: Parents' basement	Re: My argument for a Kahn sequel... I think Richard Simmons would make a great Khan.