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Old May 11 2009, 12:31 PM   #1216
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Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager

<--- has never been normal. And he's cool with that.
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Old May 11 2009, 01:29 PM   #1217
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Yes, let's refuse being just another bricks in a wall. Tee hee.

If such a thing as "normal" really exists, it equals ordinary in my book. And that may not necessarily be a super positive thing.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:19 PM   #1218
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To be normal = lack of character.
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Old May 11 2009, 05:01 PM   #1219
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I declare Jaespol to be unmutual.
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Old May 11 2009, 10:53 PM   #1220
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Normal to be means not being weird and fitting in with the majority of people and socialising with them etc.. but we shouldn't get bogged down with that because I don't really care who I'm talking to on the internet, that's where the fun is.
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Old May 11 2009, 11:00 PM   #1221
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Old May 12 2009, 12:16 AM   #1222
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The Gift (***)

I must admit, Star Trek left a bad taste in my mouth, so coming back to an episode of Voyager which doesn't move at a million miles a second in order to cover up its lapses in plot and logic is nice. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm thankful for Voyager.

Of course this episode isn't perfect, I think that Kes's powers came about far too quickly after 3 seasons of hardly any development, and now knowing the behind the scenes details of her exit (which I had no clue about when I first watched it) it is almost painful to imagine what Jennifer Lien must have been thinking during the crying scene with Janeway. It might have made a nice scene had it not been for the fact that she was booted from the show for someone who could better fill out a cat-suit.

If they had to boot Kes from the show then I don't think this is such a bad way of doing it. When Kes started talking about space and thought being one it brought back memories of the Traveller from TNG and him guiding Wesley to join him, and it made me wonder if Kes was on a similar journey. It would have been nicer to develop this over a few more episodes though, as it is things are left very vague.

My first impressions of Seven have not been favourable, she is a very annoying character. Jeri Ryan seems to think that emotions are conveyed through shouting, she has so far brought no sense of subtlety to the role. And to be perfectly frank she doesn't even act like a Borg, she acts like a child demanding a new toy, which I suppose is sort of in-character considering she was assimilated as a child, but it is still annoying to my ears.


Shuttles Lost: 5


I'm feeling generous so I'm going to give Voyager a gift of my own and allow it to have one final shuttle before I start deducting points. But if they lose this one then that will be it, so they had better make it last.
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Old May 12 2009, 12:38 AM   #1223
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Ah yes, The Gift.

First of all, I was equally put off by Jeri Ryan's portrayal of a Borg but I believe that it may have been the director's fault here. She is a great actress as we see from later episodes and eventually became my favourite Star Trek character of all despite Voyager not being my favourite series. So while Seven did get off to a shaky start, she really made up for it later on.

As for Kes leaving, it was incredibly sad she had to leave especially as I had really warmed to her character since "Before and After" and thought she looked beautiful. I thought it was a good send off overall if a bit aprupt, it could have been handled better but certainly beats how they got rid of Jadzia and Tasha.
The goodbye scene with Janeway was wonderful and you could tell the emotions were real, Lien puts her best "performance" in here but you can tell its real emotion- everything from the tears welling up in her eyes and the red welts under her eyes.

I honestly feel I would have enjoyed Voyager more if they had kept Kes, the producers say it was because they had reached an impasse which I don't believe personally...especially considering Kenneth Biller says on the DVD that Voyager lost a lot of potential good science fiction episodes with the loss Kes.

As for the episode...I don't know how to explain it but this episode seems a bit like a depressing Sunday to me - like they've just had a huge blowout the night before (Scorpion) and the next day its all very dull and depressing.
But you can't deny that Kes ascending and sending them 9500 lightyears away was a pretty impactful scene.

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Old May 12 2009, 02:10 AM   #1224
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I must admit, Star Trek left a bad taste in my mouth, so coming back to an episode of Voyager which doesn't move at a million miles a second in order to cover up its lapses in plot and logic is nice. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm thankful for Voyager.
I SO want to add this quote to my sig.
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Old May 12 2009, 02:16 AM   #1225
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^ I'll join you.
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Old May 12 2009, 02:18 AM   #1226
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^ I'll join you.
Are you saying I have your permission to use it? I wouldn't want to do it without that.
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Old May 12 2009, 02:20 AM   #1227
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Feel free.

(Boy am I going regret this is the morning. )
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Old May 12 2009, 02:25 AM   #1228
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Feel free.
Thanks.

(Boy am I going regret this is the morning. )
For some strange reason I have this urge to go post in the DS9 forum.
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Old May 12 2009, 04:12 AM   #1229
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I was going to see the Star Trek film this evening but instead am waiting 'til tomorrow afternoon. I didn't click the spoiler buttons, but... yikes. I'm a little scared now that GodBen is embracing Voyager with open arms.

IMO, "The Gift" does a pretty good job shoehorning specific objectives into a plot to make an episode, all things considered. It has flaws, and Kes's development really should have been better spread out, but it somehow hangs together fairly well in and of itself and makes for a decent 45 minutes of television. I also think that Jeri was either not yet cofortable in her role or was misdirected here - I could easily see the director emphasizing child-like qualities as being important to her performance.
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Old May 12 2009, 04:18 AM   #1230
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I was going to see the Star Trek film this evening but instead am waiting 'til tomorrow afternoon. I didn't click the spoiler buttons, but... yikes. I'm a little scared now that GodBen is embracing Voyager with open arms.
I know, I'm repeating myself, but I really hope you'll enjoy it! Don't have too high expectations. I think mine were a little too high, which is why I felt a little let down after the first viewing. But upon watching it the second time (this time in its original English version) I liked it much more. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I still have problems with some aspects of the movie, but in the end it really is just a lot of fun. As I said earlier, it's nothing deep, but it's quite in the spirit of TOS, I'd say.

I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts.
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