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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Excellent 706 62.70%
Above Average 213 18.92%
Average 84 7.46%
Below Average 46 4.09%
Poor 77 6.84%
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Old May 10 2009, 10:08 PM   #1306
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

I LOVED the movie.
But is no one else creeped out by the Spock-Uhura thing? I could have done without that.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:11 PM   #1307
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

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Saw it again today.

Warning to everyone, don't think about the film after you see it, it will only make you question your initial impression of it.


Exactly. This film will be GREAT! as long as you don't think. At all.

(I am being ironic; on my first viewing I found some things problematic but mostly liked it, then I saw it again and thought for awhile and - meh.)

Thanks, startrekwatcher, for your thoughtful review. I agree with you on the problem of the lack of emotional impact (loss of Vulcan, loss of Amanda) and the film being just too cluttered to have any kind of depth.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:25 PM   #1308
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

^ I loved it on my first viewing, and only subsequently have the issues really hit me. I wonder if I can go back where I started by re-watching it, or if those issues will bug me throughout.

I think it would help if people read Q-Squared before watching the film, because the alternate universe thing seems to go over the heads of many - despite the sledgehammer bridge conversation.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:31 PM   #1309
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Re: A personal take on... that movie

eriklatranyi wrote: View Post
The negative comments can be summed up so far:

1) Typical Star Trek fan nit-picking of EVERY movie.
2) The desire for the return of Shatner and the original cast even though that can happen in later movies.
3) The thinking that what happens today in military academies must also happen in the 23rd century.
4) Contrarians (which explains many in point 1 above)
I like this film, flaws aside, but I really dislike that manner of thinking. To suggest that every criticism of the film is invalid is a very narrow and frankly arrogant view.

There are problems with the film that do not fall into any of those categories, and to dismiss them and those who raise them so simply is unfair.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:36 PM   #1310
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The wife and I went and saw it Saturday and we are in agreement that it is one of the best Trek movies yet. ST II being my favorite I think this ranks in at number two.

The opening is phenomenal with serious emotional impact (the wife was misty eyed during the George Kirk/Winona Kirk scenes, especially after little Jimmy was born and George was asking about him). I'm a little disappointed with the performance of the actor who played Capt. Robeau (sp?) and with the performance of the actor who played Sarek. Other than that the acting was superb, especially Urban as McCoy.

The destruction of Vulcan had an impact that will be felt in this universe (not the same as the prime uni, so get over it people) if they make more movies. They had to cram a lot into this movie and they did as well as could be expected.

4.75 out of 5


***ETA***

The Kirk to Captain bit wasn't as mind boggling as many said it would be.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:40 PM   #1311
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This has probably been mentioned already, but when Spock sat down in the pilot's seat of the Jellyfish the placement of the triangular chair and circular center section of the forward window looked suspiciously like the IDIC symbol.

You know I'm right...

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Old May 10 2009, 10:45 PM   #1312
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Wow! Over 1300 comments on the new movie so far! Way to many to read and figure out if my thoughts duplicates things already said or not.

First, some background: I am an original Trekker when TOS was first on the air (although I really got into when it was syndicated every weekday afternoon after school). I was a member of a local fan club and managed to get quite involved and attended 3 cons in NYC from 1977-1978. Saw most of the original cast members and some of the various guest stars including the surprise visit by Leonard Nimoy when he wasn't going to do Spock again! Okay, flash forward to the new movie...

Saw it at a 7pm showing on the IMAX Thursday night. As many others have commented--it went too fast! So, the first positive is the pacing of the story moved along very nicely without any long flyovers of alien ships or even of the Enterprise itself. Speaking of the Enterprise--while the new ship was impressive in action I at least appreciated that the writers acknowledged the one thing I didn't like: boobies on the Enterprise so Scotty really nailed it with his comments. But, that is really a minor issue for me.

I thought the plot summary on "Fringe" really helped prepare us for where the new movie was going--an alternative timeline. In this way, "canon" was preserved while opening up new possibilities within the Trek universe without being tied down to old, stale timeline that limited what could be done because of "canon." Although the timeline has been altered before (First Contact being a good example) there was no effort to "right" the timeline--instead, through the character of Spock, the universe was only "nudged" a little bit in the right direction to preserve the relationships that have been at the heart of TOS.

As a TOS fan I saw enough of the "good old days" while making the movie a contemporary delight to my children (and even my wife who enjoys Trek only because she accepted it amongst my other idiosyncracies when she married me). Now, the challenge for Abrams and team is whether they can keep a freshness about Trek and the heart of Trek in future adventures without settling into the overly familiar scenario of not so "boldly going where everyone has already gone."
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Old May 10 2009, 10:51 PM   #1313
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Does the novel contain more information on why certain aspects of the time line changed? For example, Enterprise not launching until 2258 instead of 2245. Chekov's birth is 4 yrs earlier.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:56 PM   #1314
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OK, so the opening scenes, depicting the birth of Kirk, are among the most memorable of the film. I'm a longtime Trek fan who was very cynical about the prospects of this movie, but I have to admit tearing up a little during this sequence. I was starting to get pulled back into the Trek fold.

And then the movie gradually lost me again. Why? This whole concept of alternate realties, even spelling it out, just felt wrong to me.

Take the example of the destruction of Vulcan. I'm sure this was meant by the filmmakers to create a major emotional resonance with the core audience. Seeing this fundamental planet of the Trek universe implode should have generated a major emotional reaction to draw me into the film.

And yet, almost nothing. Rather than create an emotional investment in the film, the scene had almost the opposite effect. I couldn't shake the feeling that creatively it was so very wrong, since Vulcan was not destroyed in the real timeline. So instead of caring about the rest of the movie, I'm watching it with a dispassionate distance, registering the events but not quite accepting them as Star Trek.

I had probably had more of a reaction to the news that Romulus was destroyed by a supernova, since this is supposedly the post-Nemesis story of the real timeline.

One of the things I liked about Star Trek was that it had this rich history that more or less fit together very well, despite a few inconsistencies that could be explained away.

This movie was supposed to be the story of the original Enterprise crew coming together. But since it's an alternate reality, at an emotional level the connection with "my" Star Trek was tenuous at best. This was no longer a history I cared about.

Given all the hoops the writers tried to go through to connect the existing storylines, I think they'd probably be better served just doing a straight-up reimagining. At least then you wouldn't have to bring the fans along with as much emotional baggage.
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Old May 10 2009, 10:58 PM   #1315
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Hmmm. That's too bad. I didn't have that reaction. I felt emotionally connected and invested in the characters and the story.
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Old May 10 2009, 11:01 PM   #1316
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Re: Emotional Detachment?

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Hmmm. That's too bad. I didn't have that reaction. I felt emotionally connected and invested in the characters and the story.
Same here. I actually thought that of all the films, I was the most emotionally connected in this film.
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Old May 10 2009, 11:02 PM   #1317
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ConRefit79 wrote: View Post
Does the novel contain more information on why certain aspects of the time line changed? For example, Enterprise not launching until 2258 instead of 2245. Chekov's birth is 4 yrs earlier.
I think any continuity issues should be chalked up to changes the writers wanted. I wouldn't overthink it.
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Old May 10 2009, 11:16 PM   #1318
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I'm not going to read through 66 pages of comments, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone.

I'd give it a B-. Above average on this poll. Easily the best Star Trek of the decade, though that doesn't say much. It's good, but not great.

I'm sure the wonky science has been covered.

Some of the dialogue was pretty corny. It seems that there was at least one line in every scene about how "Starfleet regulation XYZ says a bunch of phoney sounding legal jargon". That got old pretty quick.

Kirk's spiel to Spock about his mother was pretty cringe inducing as well. Yeah, I know she's dead and Spock would be upset, but the way the scene came off just makes Spock look like a momma's boy.

Apart from those relatively minor complaints, I was pretty well entertained.
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Old May 10 2009, 11:19 PM   #1319
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Too bad you didn't get the fulfillment out of the movie that I and many others did. Fortunately for you, there are still the oldTrek series and movies to watch.
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Old May 10 2009, 11:42 PM   #1320
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Hmmm. That's too bad. I didn't have that reaction. I felt emotionally connected and invested in the characters and the story.
Same here. I actually thought that of all the films, I was the most emotionally connected in this film.
I felt an emotional attachment, less to Vulcan than to Spock's mother, Amanda.
Seeing her die in front of Spock was bigger than watching Vulcan go in my opinion.

And yes, the opening scene was emotional.
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