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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Average 84 7.46%
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Old May 10 2009, 04:41 AM   #1126
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Less crazy in here than I thought. Although the bit of craziness I do see is about what I'd expected.

There are 57 pages of comments at the time I'm writing this. It would now take as long to read the thread as to see the film again. No need for me to rehash the rehashed rehash. So ...

... I'll just say: Excellent. The 350 of you who already voted the same way when I wrote this already know why.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:41 AM   #1127
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I don't know many people who can't or are disinclined to think at least as deeply about what they see as CRA.
Oh yes. If anything, this movie has got me really digging in deep over Star Trek, the mythos, what is and is no more, the ramifications of this new universe, and I most assuredly want to know more about how the Federation works here, Starfleet, I want to know their futures, I want more stories! It's got my imagination soaring, and it thrills me.

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Yup--the way I look at it, the best is yet to come, since they've now re-established the original gang in the pop consciousness of the general public, and (largely) satisfied the fan base. No small feat.

Quite frankly, I think they have done what was considered impossible. Unite most of the hardcore fans, and the unfamiliar public in a successful marriage of new adventure.

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Old May 10 2009, 04:42 AM   #1128
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Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.

Amen brother!

April I don't think anybody could say it better!

Like many many of you I've grown up with Star Trek, starting with The Next Generation and branching out to all shows, it has made me the person I am today and fostered a love of science Fiction, sociology and the Human condition!

Keeping an open mind I went to the new movie last night, I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this "reboot" of a show I hold so dear! After seeing it I can say without a doubt that the people who wrote this movie took everything that was good in Star Trek, the characters, themes, plot, acting and removed it, replacing it with glitz, glamor, special effects and tits and ass! We are now very far removed from the high ideals and concepts of the original show. I always took comfort in knowing that Star Trek was a mirror for the society in which we lived in from racism to war to the human experience, theirs was nothing this show didn't hit on! Sadly this movie is no exception, only this time its a mirror for a society that loves flashing special effects, no substance, plot or quality acting as well as no social or political commentary on current issues! Its a movie for those who don't want to think and have a 15 second attention span! I guess this is what passes for good entertainment these days!

They finally did, they dumb down Star Trek!

What a sad day this is!

Come on Brandean! Lets go to the moving pictures and see them shiny ships with that pointy ear fella!

God help us!
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Old May 10 2009, 04:44 AM   #1129
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

jazzstick wrote: View Post
Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.

Amen brother!

April I don't think anybody could say it better!

Like many many of you I've grown up with Star Trek, starting with The Next Generation and branching out to all shows, it has made me the person I am today and fostered a love of science Fiction, sociology and the Human condition!

Keeping an open mind I went to the new movie last night, I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this "reboot" of a show I hold so dear! After seeing it I can say without a doubt that the people who wrote this movie took everything that was good in Star Trek, the characters, themes, plot, acting and removed it, replacing it with glitz, glamor, special effects and tits and ass! We are now very far removed from the high ideals and concepts of the original show. I always took comfort in knowing that Star Trek was a mirror for the society in which we lived in from racism to war to the human experience, theirs was nothing this show didn't hit on! Sadly this movie is no exception, only this time its a mirror for a society that loves flashing special effects, no substance, plot or quality acting as well as no social or political commentary on current issues! Its a movie for those who don't want to think and have a 15 second attention span! I guess this is what passes for good entertainment these days!

They finally did, they dumb down Star Trek!

What a sad day this is!

Come on Brandean! Lets go to the moving pictures and see them shiny ships with that pointy ear fella!

God help us!
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Old May 10 2009, 04:44 AM   #1130
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- Product placement. No, no, no, no. No room for that in Star Trek JJ. What a cheap shot.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:44 AM   #1131
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They finally did, they dumb[sic] down Star Trek!
No, they didn't.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:45 AM   #1132
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Mmmmm.

Tits and Ass.

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Old May 10 2009, 04:45 AM   #1133
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You're a cadet. Being so bold on your first step is probably not wise.

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Unless it's not really his "first" post here.


TheArsenal wrote: View Post
Less crazy in here than I thought. Although the bit of craziness I do see is about what I'd expected.

There are 57 pages of comments at the time I'm writing this. It would now take as long to read the thread as to see the film again. No need for me to rehash the rehashed rehash.
Just block Captain Robert April and that should cut your reading down by maybe a third. Ignore all the comments about his comments and that probably cuts it in half.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:46 AM   #1134
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- Product placement. No, no, no, no. No room for that in Star Trek JJ. What a cheap shot.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:47 AM   #1135
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J. Allen wrote: View Post
jazzstick wrote: View Post
Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.

Amen brother!

April I don't think anybody could say it better!

Like many many of you I've grown up with Star Trek, starting with The Next Generation and branching out to all shows, it has made me the person I am today and fostered a love of science Fiction, sociology and the Human condition!

Keeping an open mind I went to the new movie last night, I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this "reboot" of a show I hold so dear! After seeing it I can say without a doubt that the people who wrote this movie took everything that was good in Star Trek, the characters, themes, plot, acting and removed it, replacing it with glitz, glamor, special effects and tits and ass! We are now very far removed from the high ideals and concepts of the original show. I always took comfort in knowing that Star Trek was a mirror for the society in which we lived in from racism to war to the human experience, theirs was nothing this show didn't hit on! Sadly this movie is no exception, only this time its a mirror for a society that loves flashing special effects, no substance, plot or quality acting as well as no social or political commentary on current issues! Its a movie for those who don't want to think and have a 15 second attention span! I guess this is what passes for good entertainment these days!

They finally did, they dumb down Star Trek!

What a sad day this is!

Come on Brandean! Lets go to the moving pictures and see them shiny ships with that pointy ear fella!

God help us!
You're a cadet. Being so bold on your first step is probably not wise.

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Old May 10 2009, 04:47 AM   #1136
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I grew up on the TOS, and I voted excellent as well!!!!

I recognize an awesome movie when I see one!

Well done Abrams!!!
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Old May 10 2009, 04:48 AM   #1137
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Amen brother!

April I don't think anybody could say it better!

Like many many of you I've grown up with Star Trek, starting with The Next Generation and branching out to all shows, it has made me the person I am today and fostered a love of science Fiction, sociology and the Human condition!

Keeping an open mind I went to the new movie last night, I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this "reboot" of a show I hold so dear! After seeing it I can say without a doubt that the people who wrote this movie took everything that was good in Star Trek, the characters, themes, plot, acting and removed it, replacing it with glitz, glamor, special effects and tits and ass! We are now very far removed from the high ideals and concepts of the original show. I always took comfort in knowing that Star Trek was a mirror for the society in which we lived in from racism to war to the human experience, theirs was nothing this show didn't hit on! Sadly this movie is no exception, only this time its a mirror for a society that loves flashing special effects, no substance, plot or quality acting as well as no social or political commentary on current issues! Its a movie for those who don't want to think and have a 15 second attention span! I guess this is what passes for good entertainment these days!

They finally did, they dumb down Star Trek!

What a sad day this is!

Come on Brandean! Lets go to the moving pictures and see them shiny ships with that pointy ear fella!

God help us!
You're a cadet. Being so bold on your first step is probably not wise.

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Old May 10 2009, 04:50 AM   #1138
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J. Allen wrote: View Post
You're a cadet. Being so bold on your first step is probably not wise.

J.
Unless it's not really his "first" post here.


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Less crazy in here than I thought. Although the bit of craziness I do see is about what I'd expected.

There are 57 pages of comments at the time I'm writing this. It would now take as long to read the thread as to see the film again. No need for me to rehash the rehashed rehash.
Just block Captain Robert April and that should cut your reading down by maybe a third. Ignore all the comments about his comments and that probably cuts it in half.
While diminishing the value of content here hardly at all.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:54 AM   #1139
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For the love of God, if Roddenberry wanted nothing else, he wanted us all to THINK!! This movie is the antithesis of everything he tried to do with Star Trek, and (sorry, Majel) not only would he not have approved of this stripmining of his brainchild, he would've done everything in his power to keep this thing from seeing the light of day (or, barring that, he'd have done like he did many times before, leak the script to undercut the thing).
Ummm...depending on who you read, all Roddenberry wanted to do was be a bigshot TV producer and make money. And if Harlan Ellison is to be believed, Roddenberry was basically a hack who was more than happy to take credit for things that worked in Trek and blame everyone else and their dog for things that didn't -- and I'm not trying to imply that Ellison doesn't have his own image-concious axe to grind in all this, either.
But I think even you would have to admit that for the two seasons Roddenberry had a heavy hand in TNG, it was awful.

Personally, I think as long as his name was on it, Roddenberry would be perfectly happy to watch this new film rake in the moolah...mindless action or not.

That said, I think a lot of your points are valid. This movie was basically Star Wars set in the Trek universe, but it was an entertaining movie...it did have a lot of energy, and a lot of people (especially young people) who wouldn't be caught DEAD admitting to watching anything Trek-related are loving it.

I think everyone gets that hardcore fans like you (in baseball they're called purists), don't like the idea of rebooting the franchise. A lot of people felt that way when Battlestar Galactica was rebooted too. You let everyone know you didn't like it. You listed your reasons. In fact, I happen to be in agreement with you on several of them. Fine. However, no need to continually throw a wet blanket on those who enjoyed the new movie. They're allowed. Unless you can pull a "Nero" and go back in time and do something that will prevent J.J. Abrams from ever getting into the entertainment industry, what's done is done.

My advise, quit ranting...pull out your DVDs of TOS and enjoy "real" Trek to your hearts' content.
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Old May 10 2009, 04:55 AM   #1140
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So I figure I will write a quick review of the film. I saw it again today, and from the moment the Paramount stars enter the screen to the dedication at the end, this film was pure joy to me. The best thing to see was how energetic the cast and production crew of this film was. You could tell they had fun making this film. A few points:

-Some thought Ben Cross was wooden as Sarek, I thought he was excellent. The scene were he tells Spock that the reason he married his mother was because he loved her was very touching.

- The opening sequence was just incredible to watch, from the acting (kudos to Chris Helmsworth and Jennifer Morrison) to the direction of the battle sequences and the music played over the whole thing.

- I LOVE LOVE LOVE the sound design in this whole movie. The weapons feel and sound like destructive devices, and the way that they just tear through the ships are astounding. You feel the power of these devices as they go off.

- The sequence when the ship warps into Vulcan space and flies into the remains of the battle group is probably my favorite sequence of the film. The sheer chaos of it all is astounding. The voices overlapping each other yelling orders and the sound of the engines trying to slow down and maneuver around the debris is just incredible. And it was actually quite sad because only moments before, these ships were filled with the classmates of the Enterprise crew who was just at the academy. I really haven't been that saddened by a scene in Trek for a long time, because just minutes before you saw all these bright eyed kids ready to go explore the galaxy, and now they had met their fate in the worst way possible, in the coldness of space.

-The whole cast was just terrific, and the casting was just spot on. I loved Spock especially though, because through the whole thing, even though he was emotionless you could just tell he had a little smile underneath it all until the events at Vulcan.

- The Kobyashi Maru scene was PRICELESS. The swagger Kirk has as he orders everyone around, and how the rest of the crew, and the testers, are like WTF is he doing. I especially loved when they torpedoed the Klingons, Kirk making the gun with his finger and going PEW PEW PEW! That and the apple he was eating was a nice tough to TWOK.

I guess I will write more later, but I just can't get over how great that movie was. The only bad thing was that it went by so fast, and now we have to wait another two years for the sequel.
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