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Old May 9 2009, 08:57 PM   #31
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If i remember correctly Pike said something to Spock about the ship being brand new. I believe all the ships that went to Vulcan with cadets were new.
It'll be sad if Number One, the female version, never existed. If they do another movie, it'd be great to add Nurse Chapel to the cast. But with Spock/Uhura ... I'm not sure what that would do.
Yeah, I'm sorry they didn't put Number One in the film. Although she probably would have suffered Olson's fate.

I liked the Archer reference but I couldn't help but think Scotty killed Porthos.
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Old May 9 2009, 09:38 PM   #32
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I'm an ENT fan, but to be honest I can't say I liked the reference at all. In fact I thought it was a crap reference.
Archer was born in approx 2111, the line is said in 2261 (IIRC.) Archer would 150 years old.
McCoy was only 137 in Encounter At Farpoint, and that the was the 24th Century, and he looked like he was going to die at any minute. So how would Archer be then?
So you just basically killed a poor old mans dog? The man who saved Earth from the Xindi, who helped formed the Federation, who was dubbed 'the greatest explorer of the 22nd Century'?
That's meant to be funny?
Well, I laughed. And I'm one of the few people who liked Archer from the start of ENT. There could be all sorts of explanations why he's still alive (he got frozen, trapped in a transporter buffer, visited the Briar Patch, took a trip in the TARDIS and so on). This is science fiction, after all.
Then again, it might have been a totally different guy. It was just a nod to those who would be able to associate something with it without distracting those who never watched ENT.
I prefer to think it really was our Archer. It's a nice nod to us ENT fans. I'm content with it.


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I much prefer to go by the bio from In A Mirror Darkly pt.2, that Archer still lived pretty old, but to 2245 the day after attending the the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701. And he wasn't an Admiral, he became Ambassador to Andoria, a councilman on the Federation, and eventually President of the UFP.
No that's respect to the guy. Not killing off his beloved pet when he's on his deathbed
Well, this bio mentions him becoming Chief-of-Staff before being an ambassador, so he would be an admiral in that timeline, too. (It's not canon, though.)
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Old May 9 2009, 09:57 PM   #33
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...this bio mentions him becoming Chief-of-Staff before being an ambassador, so he would be an admiral in that timeline, too. (It's not canon, though.)
Are you sure? it was quite readable on screen in HD.
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Old May 9 2009, 10:01 PM   #34
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Then again, it might have been a totally different guy. It was just a nod to those who would be able to associate something with it without distracting those who never watched ENT.
I prefer to think it really was our Archer. It's a nice nod to us ENT fans. I'm content with it.
Its kinda like the reference in the film to the planet called "Delta Vega", which is in completely the wrong part of space as it should be. The writers of the film even admitted this-
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/30/inte...alex-kurtzman/
For the Trek fans, this film includes many little references. For example you have Kirk dropped off on the planet Delta Vega, which was seen in second Star Trek pilot. It is a cool reference, but didn’t you also fudge canon by ignoring that Delta Vega was way out next to the galactic barrier.


Orci: True. Yeah we did. We moved the planet to suit our purposes. The familiarity of the name seemed more important as an Easter egg, than a new name with no importance.
That's just lazy to me, and a seriously shitty "nod". What's the point of doing it if it's totally wrong and makes no sense?
They might as well have had a Kazon walking about the Enterprise in the film. That would have been a "nod" to the Voyager fans, even though it makes no logical sense at all, but hey who cares right?


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Old May 9 2009, 10:08 PM   #35
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Then again, it might have been a totally different guy. It was just a nod to those who would be able to associate something with it without distracting those who never watched ENT.
I prefer to think it really was our Archer. It's a nice nod to us ENT fans. I'm content with it.
Its kinda like the reference in the film to the planet called "Delta Vega", which is in completely the wrong part of space as it should be. The writers of the film even admitted this-
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/30/inte...alex-kurtzman/
For the Trek fans, this film includes many little references. For example you have Kirk dropped off on the planet Delta Vega, which was seen in second Star Trek pilot. It is a cool reference, but didn’t you also fudge canon by ignoring that Delta Vega was way out next to the galactic barrier.


Orci: True. Yeah we did. We moved the planet to suit our purposes. The familiarity of the name seemed more important as an Easter egg, than a new name with no importance.
That's just lazy to me, and a seriously shitty "nod". What's the point of doing it if it's totally wrong and makes no sense?
They might as well have had a Kazon walking about the Enterprise in the film. That would have been a "nod" to the Voyager fans, even though it makes no logical sense at all, but hey who cares right?


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I am forced to agree with you.
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Old May 9 2009, 10:41 PM   #36
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How long had Scotty been on Delta Vega? He could have been there a while, close to decade. Yeah, Jonathan Archer would STILL be very old. But people are assuming Scotty was just sent there. Even if previously Jonathan Archer went on to be a Federation President or an Ambassador he would have gone back to using his Starfleet rank while teaching at the Academy.

I like the reference. Even if you figure its a child or grandchild of Jonathan's its still an Enterprise reference. They did not have to do one at all.
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Old May 9 2009, 10:42 PM   #37
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...this bio mentions him becoming Chief-of-Staff before being an ambassador, so he would be an admiral in that timeline, too. (It's not canon, though.)
Are you sure? it was quite readable on screen in HD.
I remember reading that the people involved with the show said themselves it's not canon, and the last line that says Archer died after seein the NCC 1701's launch wasn't even seen on screen.

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Then again, it might have been a totally different guy. It was just a nod to those who would be able to associate something with it without distracting those who never watched ENT.
I prefer to think it really was our Archer. It's a nice nod to us ENT fans. I'm content with it.
Its kinda like the reference in the film to the planet called "Delta Vega", which is in completely the wrong part of space as it should be. The writers of the film even admitted this-
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/30/inte...alex-kurtzman/
For the Trek fans, this film includes many little references. For example you have Kirk dropped off on the planet Delta Vega, which was seen in second Star Trek pilot. It is a cool reference, but didn’t you also fudge canon by ignoring that Delta Vega was way out next to the galactic barrier.


Orci: True. Yeah we did. We moved the planet to suit our purposes. The familiarity of the name seemed more important as an Easter egg, than a new name with no importance.
That's just lazy to me, and a seriously shitty "nod". What's the point of doing it if it's totally wrong and makes no sense?
They might as well have had a Kazon walking about the Enterprise in the film. That would have been a "nod" to the Voyager fans, even though it makes no logical sense at all, but hey who cares right?


Ah, Manny Coto...
And the name 'Delta Vega' sounds so unique that there can be only one in the whole galaxy, right?
They could have named that planet everything but decided to name it Delta Vega as a homage to the planet Gary Mitchell got marooned on. It's not supposed to be the same planet. It's just name-dropping to make the old Trek fans happy because they get the insider reference.
It's a funny thing, though, that TOS was quite an abstract show (dealing with a specific moral question or idea without caring whether the setting was realistic or in continuity, e.g. in "The Enemy Within" they conveniently forget about their shuttles to rescue their crew from the surface) but created a fan base that takes everything very literally and obsesses about minute continuity details. But I digress.
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Old May 9 2009, 10:44 PM   #38
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How long had Scotty been on Delta Vega? He could have been there a while close to decade. Yeah, Jothan Archer would STILL be very old. But people are assuming Scotty was just sent there. Even if Jonathan Archer went on to be a Federation President or an Ambassador he would have used used his Starfleet rank while teaching at the Academy.
I'm pretty sure Scotty says he's been on the planet for 6 months. I agree about the rest, though.
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Old May 9 2009, 10:50 PM   #39
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"Delta Vega" is just a designation anyways. If they had put a real star close to Vulcan or a improbable planet near it like - Andoria, I could see the complaint. But that name is generic enough to have multiple uses.
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Old May 9 2009, 11:08 PM   #40
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I'm an ENT fan, but to be honest I can't say I liked the reference at all. In fact I thought it was a crap reference.
Archer was born in approx 2111, the line is said in 2261 (IIRC.) Archer would 150 years old.
McCoy was only 137 in Encounter At Farpoint, and that the was the 24th Century, and he looked like he was going to die at any minute. So how would Archer be then?
So you just basically killed a poor old mans dog? The man who saved Earth from the Xindi, who helped formed the Federation, who was dubbed 'the greatest explorer of the 22nd Century'?
That's meant to be funny?


I much prefer to go by the bio from In A Mirror Darkly pt.2, that Archer still lived pretty old, but to 2245 the day after attending the the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701. And he wasn't an Admiral, he became Ambassador to Andoria, a councilman on the Federation, and eventually President of the UFP.
No that's respect to the guy. Not killing off his beloved pet when he's on his deathbed
Well, the transporter mishap with Archer's beagle could have occurred several years before. After all, Scotty is no spring chicken in XI.
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Old May 9 2009, 11:30 PM   #41
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Its ironic that that ENT fans are now complaining that the new incarnation of the franchise is making incorrect references to it!!

I am a big ENT fan by the way! But this is the type of nitpicking that did about ENT all the time.
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Old May 10 2009, 12:07 AM   #42
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How long had Scotty been on Delta Vega? He could have been there a while, close to decade. Yeah, Jonathan Archer would STILL be very old. But people are assuming Scotty was just sent there. Even if previously Jonathan Archer went on to be a Federation President or an Ambassador he would have gone back to using his Starfleet rank while teaching at the Academy.

I like the reference. Even if you figure its a child or grandchild of Jonathan's its still an Enterprise reference. They did not have to do one at all.
it is still a reference even if it is a grandchild ect of archer.
if it is a descendant it dosnt make the reference wrong.
i really do like it without it being jonathan archer.
the only reason i dont think it isnt archer is the archer was supposed to be an instructor in quantum mechanics or something like that.

i suspect the novelization will have more.

and that there may be more then one delta vega..
no big deal..
has happened before.

i actually like delta vega summer and delta vega winter to keep them apart.
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there is also spock's reference to the katric ark
Where?
shortly before spock beams down to vulcan, he says something to the effect of the katric ark being the repository of vulcan identity & culture, and that his parents are there...went kinda fast, but he definitely says "katric ark" - !!
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Old May 10 2009, 02:09 AM   #44
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Its ironic that that ENT fans are now complaining that the new incarnation of the franchise is making incorrect references to it!!
Yuppers. I think it's appropriate for them to mention the captain of the Enterprise and think it was him rather than a relative or something else.

Besides, I figure if McCoy can live to a ripe old age, why not Archer?
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shortly before spock beams down to vulcan, he says something to the effect of the katric ark being the repository of vulcan identity & culture, and that his parents are there...went kinda fast, but he definitely says "katric ark" - !!
You are right, he does say Katric ark!
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