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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Excellent 706 62.70%
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Average 84 7.46%
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Poor 77 6.84%
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Old May 9 2009, 04:57 AM   #871
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I must be the only guy who loved the engine room.
No, you definitely are not! I loved it, too. I thought it looked very realistic.
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Old May 9 2009, 05:00 AM   #872
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I must be the only guy who loved the engine room.


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My first thought when I saw it was "wow, this is so much more realistic."
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I must be the only guy who loved the engine room.
No, you definitely are not! I loved it, too. I thought it looked very realistic.

Woohoo!
It did feel realistic. It had a used, workable feel to it.

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Old May 9 2009, 05:02 AM   #873
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Old May 9 2009, 05:03 AM   #874
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It did feel realistic. It had a used, workable feel to it.

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How used could it be ? The Enterprise still has the dealer's sticker on the rear window.
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Old May 9 2009, 05:04 AM   #875
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It did feel realistic. It had a used, workable feel to it.

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How used could it be ? The Enterprise still has the dealer's sticker on the rear window.
When I say used, I mean practical.

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Old May 9 2009, 05:11 AM   #876
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Yeah, well then why don't you stop me?
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Old May 9 2009, 05:18 AM   #877
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?

It just didn't work for me when Kirk is running past huge vats of something.
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Old May 9 2009, 05:21 AM   #878
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I just watched it and I have to say that I loved it! Spock is the heart of this movie, but Kirk is fabulous as well.

I'm still crying over what happened to Vulcan, though. At least Spock prime is helping the Vulcan race.

Minor nitpick is the lens flares. It bugged me a couple of times.

I can't wait to see this again.
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Old May 9 2009, 05:29 AM   #879
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?

It just didn't work for me when Kirk is running past huge vats of something.
So maybe it doesn't work for you.
It works for me and several others.


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Old May 9 2009, 05:30 AM   #880
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?

It just didn't work for me when Kirk is running past huge vats of something.
vats, pipes, tubes and warehouses, heh
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Old May 9 2009, 06:00 AM   #881
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?
Some of the wider shots were iffy, in that it was implausible that such a sprawling facility would or could be contained within a starship, but the basic aesthetic worked well enough.
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Old May 9 2009, 06:06 AM   #882
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At first I thought it needed to be at the center of a major gravity well for Red Matter to create a singularity. I thought that is why they bothered to drill. But then they created one in open space. Unless the mass and warp drive of his ship was creates enough of a gravity well to start the process.
Well, that's the convenience of using a plot device you never bother to explain in any meaningful detail!...

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Hello to everyone on the boards!
This is my first post...

The New Look: Awesome 5/5
...a sense of epic scope rarely before seen in Trek...

The Cast of Characters: Excellent 5/5
I don’t see how this could have been better, reasonably speaking....

The Plot: Terrible 1/5
As much as I would like to be enthusiastic about every aspect of this movie, the plot is pretty bad...

Blockbuster Action and Comedy: Very Good 4/5
Some of the humor I could have done without, for example Scotty beaming into the pipes, but much of it flowed from the characters...

What it worth it to have Spock Prime around?
This is the main hypothetical I am left considering...

Intellectual Value
Star Trek can be thought-provoking, and this movie for the most part was not. This is not a criticism (a movie cannot do everything at once), but it is an important observation...
Great first post, Flemm, and I agree with a lot of your assessments (although I'd perhaps knock the grade down a point or two for "The Look": the production values were great, but IMHO the cinematography was eccentric, and the design aesthetic was wildly inconsistent.)

While the film isn't without redeeming qualities, though, what outweighs all the rest for me is the problems (as you acknowledge) with the story. Without a strong, well-written story at the center, all the pretty pictures and good acting in the world will amount to nothing. All else being equal, saying it's not thought-provoking is a criticism, a very serious one, there's no way around it. The most important take-away from your review, IMHO, is this: "I should not have to turn off my brain to enjoy a Star Trek movie, quite the opposite."

A lot of people seem to be defending it on the basis that it's impressive-looking and exciting. And for the most part, it is. But so what? What does all that amount to without a good story? It's all visceral thrills, no brain.

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Well, I can see from reading this that there are some major plot points I must have missed, like Nero saying he had already saved Romulus (but only in the alternate timeline, not the original). Can someone answer me this, though: what was Nero and crew doing in the 25 years while they waited for Spock to fly through the singularity? And did the singularity close up after spitting out Nero's ship, then open up again 25 years later to spit out Spock's, or was it open for the whole 25 years? Did they explain either of these things?
Nope and nope, and I never noticed him saying anything about having saved Romulus, either.

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...The production value was top notch. The acting was very good for the most part and the character moments were great.

However, the plot just wasn't very good at all. It ultimately suffered from the same problem every other Trek film has: little substance, massive plot holes, forced plot points, and trite villains.

I also don't like the rapid cutting. I know it's the new "thing" these days. But I've never liked it. To me that only thing that ends up getting cut is content.

This is a symptom of my biggest gripe: the awful pacing. It was like Star Trek for ADD kids.
Couldn't agree more with this. (Except that not every other Trek film is as badly plotted as this one. It really was worse than most.)

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One thing I liked, Uhura saying an "alternate reality", it drives a stake in the ground that says yes, this is a new universe for sure. It works for me, our star trek still exists in an another reality, and now the audience is watching this new reality, we just aren't able to see the old one anymore, works for me.
You liked that? Not being able to see the old one any more is really not a selling point for me. To make it one, the new version would have to be better than what it's replacing, and this movie sure didn't make a case for that.

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That said, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, a Star-Wars-esque summer action-romp.
Well, first of all, that's the last thing Star Trek should be trying to be (indeed, that "Star Wars" flavor is what many of us were fearing from Abrams from the start). But second, even on those terms, it really didn't manage to be enjoyable. Some people seem to think story logic and plausibility are optional features in summer movies, but I've never understood that POV.
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Old May 9 2009, 06:17 AM   #883
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Loved the characters...the f/x were awesome, and the movie never dragged. I'm looking forward to seeing these characters together again for a sequel or sequels...

What I hated was that the entire history of all this crew from the TV series, TWOK, through to TUC was just wiped out!!!

Yes, the possibilities are endless now, BUT, am I the only one who's terribly upset about this??!

No more Vulcan...no more Romulus??? I'm not taking this very well...
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?

It just didn't work for me when Kirk is running past huge vats of something.
hmm did you say vats

tubes??
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How does a giant brewer feel "realistic" for an engine room for a FTL starship?

It just didn't work for me when Kirk is running past huge vats of something.
hmm did you say vats

tubes??
Beautiful! You found the pics I had been looking for also.
I should have thought to look at Trekcore.

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