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Old May 8 2009, 08:03 PM   #706
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

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J.J. Abrams Raped Star Trek. Seriously, he took the series and had his way with it. I am disapointed that I spent 5 dollars on this movie. It was so bad.

If you haven't seen it. Here is the one spoiler that will make you hate JJ Abrams.

HE DESTROYED VULCAN.

That means all the Vulcans from Star Trek the Next Generation, DS9, and voyager are DEAD.

think about that for a minute...
And yet another nay-sayer who joined the BBS within the last 24 hours and only has one post to his/her credit.

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Old May 8 2009, 08:06 PM   #707
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I've been on the TrekBBS for 7 and a half years, and I thought it was lame. So get your facts right
How amusingly ironic coming from a guy standing in front of a 'Back to the Future' poster...
Oh yeah, let's get personal. How kind of you. What a nice chap you must be.
If you'd bothered reading my posts I'd said I didn't enjoy the film that much, but if other people did then good on them.
But oh no, that's not frigging good enough for the likes of you is it. Anyone who would dare dislike something you like is a massive twat and must be shown up.
And what does that even mean anyway, yeah because BTTF isn't a popular film 24 years later is it? Is it a crime now to like that film?
Grow up please, and an apology wouldn't go amiss
Why so defensive?

And as for "getting my facts right"... I said I was scanning, not mining. I chose to ignore your original post when you wrote the words "NOT CANON" about the film which I felt illustrate an unhealthy position towards Star Trek, the fictional entertainment franchise (cf. the quote in my signature). If you found it boring, I'm sorry you felt that way, even though I scratch my head in bewilderment how this could be. But the whole "canon" thing...
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Old May 8 2009, 08:08 PM   #708
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The story was awful. (Spoilers)

I feel silly. J.J Abrams pointedly said, "Purists, stay home." It was sound advice and I should have listened. But I told myself, "Tai, you're not a purist. Sure, canon and Star Trek lore is important, but if it means revitalizing the franchise, ensuring that Star Trek endures and bringing in a whole new fanbase... then it's alright to let some things slide."

I think this movie will make enough money to put a sequel into production. I think general audiences will embrace it as a fun summer sci-fi flick. I just don't think I can get on board. Not with this creative team.

The cast was wonderful. I embraced them in the roles they played. The performances were likeable, even endearing. Zachary Quinto stole the show. Chris Pine is a worthy successor to the role of James T. Kirk. I thought the production values were top notch in every way. I have gripes, like the unneccesary redesign of the NCC-1701, but relative to my other concerns, these are minor.

The movie was awful because of the story.

Let's start with the villian. Nero's backstory, his vendetta and means of execution were all strangely similar to Shinzon's from the last film. It's almost... and I can't even believe I'm saying this, but it almost felt like they were paying homage to Star Trek: Nemesis. Sure, the villian in an action film is only really there to die to the hero... but Nero, the terrorist Romulans, the ridiculous ship--it wasn't just lazy, it was recycled. I was sitting in the theatre in disbelief. The Enterprise has saved the day from stronger adversaries on numerous occasions. And I didn't have to pay $10.25 to see it any of those times.

The entire sequence on the ice planet was an homage to Star Wars. Rather than being excited I was sadly, kind of annoyed. Kirk just happens by coincidence to run into old Spock in a cave while escaping a monster? Spock was surprised to see him. They couldn't have had Spock track down another life signal on the planet he was marooned on and follow it to the cave to save Kirk? That type of coincidence is still lame, but no--Spock was just sitting there in a random cave waiting to die (14 kilometers from a Starfleet base that he KNEW about) when in strolls in his best friend? UGH! It was contrived. It was nonsensical.

In this alternate reality, using Scottie's theories that future-spock relayed back to him--two people can be transported lightyears across space? Fine, you know what? My head isn't going to explode. I'm not a purist. (Keep
telling yourself that Tai, You are not a purist.)

You cut to a scene from 2387 during a Federation-Romulan crisis, a perfect opportunity to give us fans a quick glimpse of a Soverign class ship or some new kick-ass design and you give us a jellyfish from the Vulcan Science Academy? Really? Whatever, not important, minor gripe.

What I don't get is, why was Spock late to stop the supernova? And what difference would it have made if the "red matter" stopped the shockwave or not? What exactly would the planet Romulus have done anyway WITHOUT A STAR TO ORBIT? Of all the ships in the vast Romulan Star Armada there to witness the death of their civilization it was a bunch of terrorists (why were they terrorists in the first place?) on a mining ship that just happened to be on hand to pick up the failed ambassador, piloting their only hope? The whole sequence was just painfully bad. I've seen some ridiculous things in Star Trek, don't get me wrong. But I don't think any of them cost $150 million dollars to produce.

Look, I'm not a purist. What I am though, is a fan of Star Trek. And as best I can tell the only thing this movie added to "Star Trek" was a rehash of the Nemesis plot and the creation of an alternate reality Enterprise crew where the only major differences are an uglier ship and the utter annihilation of the planet Vulcan... which in terms of the advancement of Star Trek lore, feels like a giant Fuck you.

It's like I met a girl at a party, she wore a stunning outfit and her features were flawless. She was gorgeous in every way. I took her home with me and just as things were getting hot and heavy she kicks me in the groin.

I think the crew is great. From the top down, I felt like they all breathed new life into these legendary roles. I think they did the original series proud in their performances. I can't say I'm looking forward to them going through another mess of a story like this one. Here's hoping the next one isn't written by the Transformer folks.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:09 PM   #709
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What I don't get, is that Nero could have used his time and energy to destroy the STAR that fucked up Romulus.

So why did he go after Vulcan and Earth? He could have taken care of the star and theoretically, his wife and race would still be alive. No revenge needed, with his wife and race alive, he would have had no reason for it.

At least they would have been alive in the new timeline, had he succeeded. He had no way of knowing that by going back in time and destroying the Kelvin, he was setting forth on a different timeline. Time-travel gives me a headache.

I still don't like the destruction of Vulcan. Yeah, it's in the new timeline, but still, what a downer. And in the prime timeline, Romulus is still gone. Bleh.

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Old May 8 2009, 08:13 PM   #710
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I feel silly. J.J Abrams pointedly said, "Purists, stay home." It was sound advice and I should have listened. But I told myself, "Tai, you're not a purist. Sure, canon and Star Trek lore is important, but if it means revitalizing the franchise, ensuring that Star Trek endures and bringing in a whole new fanbase... then it's alright to let some things slide."

I think this movie will make enough money to put a sequel into production. I think general audiences will embrace it as a fun summer sci-fi flick. I just don't think I can get on board. Not with this creative team.

The cast was wonderful. I embraced them in the roles they played. The performances were likeable, even endearing. Zachary Quinto stole the show. Chris Pine is a worthy successor to the role of James T. Kirk. I thought the production values were top notch in every way. I have gripes, like the unneccesary redesign of the NCC-1701, but relative to my other concerns, these are minor.

The movie was awful because of the story.

Let's start with the villian. Nero's backstory, his vendetta and means of execution were all strangely similar to Shinzon's from the last film. It's almost... and I can't even believe I'm saying this, but it almost felt like they were paying homage to Star Trek: Nemesis. Sure, the villian in an action film is only really there to die to the hero... but Nero, the terrorist Romulans, the ridiculous ship--it wasn't just lazy, it was recycled. I was sitting in the theatre in disbelief. The Enterprise has saved the day from stronger adversaries on numerous occasions. And I didn't have to pay $10.25 to see it any of those times.

The entire sequence on the ice planet was an homage to Star Wars. Rather than being excited I was sadly, kind of annoyed. Kirk just happens by coincidence to run into old Spock in a cave while escaping a monster? Spock was surprised to see him. They couldn't have had Spock track down another life signal on the planet he was marooned on and follow it to the cave to save Kirk? That type of coincidence is still lame, but no--Spock was just sitting there in a random cave waiting to die (14 kilometers from a Starfleet base that he KNEW about) when in strolls in his best friend? UGH! It was contrived. It was nonsensical.

In this alternate reality, using Scottie's theories that future-spock relayed back to him--two people can be transported lightyears across space? Fine, you know what? My head isn't going to explode. I'm not a purist. (Keep
telling yourself that Tai, You are not a purist.)

You cut to a scene from 2387 during a Federation-Romulan crisis, a perfect opportunity to give us fans a quick glimpse of a Soverign class ship or some new kick-ass design and you give us a jellyfish from the Vulcan Science Academy? Really? Whatever, not important, minor gripe.

What I don't get is, why was Spock late to stop the supernova? And what difference would it have made if the "red matter" stopped the shockwave or not? What exactly would the planet Romulus have done anyway WITHOUT A STAR TO ORBIT? Of all the ships in the vast Romulan Star Armada there to witness the death of their civilization it was a bunch of terrorists (why were they terrorists in the first place?) on a mining ship that just happened to be on hand to pick up the failed ambassador, piloting their only hope? The whole sequence was just painfully bad. I've seen some ridiculous things in Star Trek, don't get me wrong. But I don't think any of them cost $150 million dollars to produce.

Look, I'm not a purist. What I am though, is a fan of Star Trek. And as best I can tell the only thing this movie added to "Star Trek" was a rehash of the Nemesis plot and the creation of an alternate reality Enterprise crew where the only major differences are an uglier ship and the utter annihilation of the planet Vulcan... which in terms of the advancement of Star Trek lore, feels like a giant Fuck you.

It's like I met a girl at a party, she wore a stunning outfit and her features were flawless. She was gorgeous in every way. I took her home with me and just as things were getting hot and heavy she kicks me in the groin.

I think the crew is great. From the top down, I felt like they all breathed new life into these legendary roles. I think they did the original series proud in their performances. I can't say I'm looking forward to them going through another mess of a story like this one. Here's hoping the next one isn't written by the Transformer folks.
I don't think they ever said it was Romulus's star that went supernova. It went supernova before Spock got there as a plot device. It's a movie, not reality.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:14 PM   #711
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What I don't get, is that Nero could have used his time and energy to destroy the STAR that fucked up Romulus.

So why did he go after Vulcan and Earth? He could have taken care of the star and theoretically, his wife and race would still be alive. No revenge needed, with his wife and race alive, he would have had no reason for it.

At least they would have been alive in the new timeline, had he succeeded. He had no way of knowing that by going back in time and destroying the Kelvin, he was setting forth on a different timeline. Time-travel gives me a headache.

I still don't like the destruction of Vulcan. Yeah, it's in the new timeline, but still, what a downer. And in the prime timeline, Romulus is still gone. Bleh.

**throws darts**

He wasn't destroying the Federation worlds to save Romulus, he was destroying them out of revenge. He even said that he had a new mission on top of revenge, and that was to save Romulus and ensure that it lives in a galaxy without the Federation.

He most likely either destroyed that star during the 25 year waiting period, or he was planning on doing it after he destroyed the Federation worlds. Either way it wasn't really a pressing matter, he had over a hundred years to do it.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:14 PM   #712
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The movie was great. Good, very clever, very emotional script.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:15 PM   #713
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I still don't like the destruction of Vulcan. Yeah, it's in the new timeline, but still, what a downer. And in the prime timeline, Romulus is still gone. Bleh.

**throws darts**
Neither do I, but they did imply that there would be a new Vulcan. Also, a thought just came up but if they did only canonize Enterprise for the new Universe, and they took the scholars to start the new Vulcan, could this explain why no one will remember the way the Vulcans acted in the first 3 seasons of Enterprise? Heck, I saw some of that even on the Council, and in the boys who were beating up Spock, but it was time for the old Vulcan to die and the new one, the one in which we know all too well, is born. That might be the way I see it and that's kind of a happy feeling.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:16 PM   #714
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Tai - before all the gusher-haters(of anybody calling this anything other than the second coming)turn up, let me say thank you for an actually intelligently written critique. I must admit, I haven't seen the film yet but some of the plot points are worrying me.

I also wrote months back that I had a problem with the villains in ST these days just all looking like bald vampires. Seems even their murky motivations are also now being carried over from film to film.


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Old May 8 2009, 08:16 PM   #715
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Why so defensive?

And as for "getting my facts right"... I said I was scanning, not mining. I chose to ignore your original post when you wrote the words "NOT CANON" about the film which I felt illustrate an unhealthy position towards Star Trek, the fictional entertainment franchise (cf. the quote in my signature). If you found it boring, I'm sorry you felt that way, even though I scratch my head in bewilderment how this could be. But the whole "canon" thing...
And if you've had read my other post later on you would have seen I meant that "not canon" comment as more of a joke (as that's the typical thing a Trek fan might say when they dislike something)
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Old May 8 2009, 08:16 PM   #716
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And in the prime timeline, Romulus is still gone. Bleh.
It's exactly things like this that make me say that nuTrek is in it's own separate universe, having nothing to do with the original Trek incarnation.

This movie, it's backstory and everything, has nothing to do with TOS or TNG or DS9 or the future of that universe. Two completely different universes. This movie is it's own reboot.
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Old May 8 2009, 08:16 PM   #717
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What I don't get, is that Nero could have used his time and energy to destroy the STAR that fucked up Romulus.

So why did he go after Vulcan and Earth? He could have taken care of the star and theoretically, his wife and race would still be alive. No revenge needed, with his wife and race alive, he would have had no reason for it.
If I remember correctly he did say to Pike that he saved Romulus. I took that to mean he already visited that star and destroyed it, before coming to Vulcan for his revenge (he did have a lot of red matter)
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Old May 8 2009, 08:17 PM   #718
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Another review thread on its own?
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Old May 8 2009, 08:17 PM   #719
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I still don't like the destruction of Vulcan. Yeah, it's in the new timeline, but still, what a downer. And in the prime timeline, Romulus is still gone. Bleh.

**throws darts**
Neither do I, but they did imply that there would be a new Vulcan. Also, a thought just came up but if they did only canonize Enterprise for the new Universe, and they took the scholars to start the new Vulcan, could this explain why no one will remember the way the Vulcans acted in the first 3 seasons of Enterprise? Heck, I saw some of that even on the Council, and in the boys who were beating up Spock, but it was time for the old Vulcan to die and the new one, the one in which we know all too well, is born. That might be the way I see it and that's kind of a happy feeling.
And that's why the Vulcan we know has a red sky instead of what we saw in the film, too...
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Old May 8 2009, 08:17 PM   #720
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The script was clever and entertaining. Pleasing purists is what made the franchise unbearable by the Bakula years anyway. I think they did a great job giving us fanboys something to hold on to while giving it a mass appeal. I, for one, want as many people as possible to enjoy Star Trek because that means sequels and more TV shows.
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