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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 7 2009, 06:30 PM   #241
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Then why did Kirk tell Gillian he was from Iowa?
'Cause he was born in Iowa?

Or, I should say in the original timeline (which STIV takes place in) he was born in Iowa on 2233. By 2246 he was on Tarsus IV.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:32 PM   #242
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Wait a minute, Nero has Ceti eels?!! That'd be cool.
Well, he calls them Centauri slugs, but the look and how he describes them ("it'll latch on to your brain stem, releasing a toxin which will make you extremely suggestible and give up the codes to Starfleet's defenses") are clearly a homage to TWOK.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:44 PM   #243
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You know, the original universe was not destroyed. It's out there somewhere, with our fond memories. Well, mostly fond. I am, however, very happy that we are not going back to that universe.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:45 PM   #244
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Any indication of how far along Winona Kirk is in the pregnancy at the time of Nero's attack? If she was in the latter stages, and James was born in Iowa in the pre-Nero timeline, then would that imply that the Kelvin was due to return to Earth shortly at this time, to give Winona the opportunity to have her baby on Earth?
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Old May 7 2009, 06:47 PM   #245
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The film makes it very clear that the expanding supernova was stopped, and thus the TNG timeframe where Spock Prime came from was saved. And also both the bridge crew and Nero ("You were regarded as a great man - you became Captain of the Enterprise, but that was another life!") pound in the fact that it's an alternate timeline due to the changes made by Nero's arrival in the past.

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Any indication of how far along Winona Kirk is in the pregnancy at the time of Nero's attack? If she was in the latter stages, and James was born in Iowa in the pre-Nero timeline, then would that imply that the Kelvin was due to return to Earth shortly at this time, to give Winona the opportunity to have her baby on Earth?
She seems to be giving birth before the Narada attacks the Kelvin, at least when we first see her. There's nothing to indicate the attack disrupted the normal birth cycle as such.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:50 PM   #246
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Then why did Kirk tell Gillian he was from Iowa?


this really gives you away, April. oh man.

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Old May 7 2009, 06:50 PM   #247
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Any indication of how far along Winona Kirk is in the pregnancy at the time of Nero's attack? If she was in the latter stages, and James was born in Iowa in the pre-Nero timeline, then would that imply that the Kelvin was due to return to Earth shortly at this time, to give Winona the opportunity to have her baby on Earth?
I got the impression that she was going to give birth to baby Jim any time now, even if the attack hadn't happened.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:56 PM   #248
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I quite liked the Kobyashi Maru sequence. Who'd have thought you could get into so much trouble for cheating at a video game?
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Old May 7 2009, 06:56 PM   #249
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Then why did Kirk tell Gillian he was from Iowa?


this really gives you away, April. oh man.

Jesus, what a dumb thing to nitpick.

I was born in D.C. I lived there for the first six months of my life. I've lived mainly in various parts of am East Coast state for all the decades since.

When people ask me where I'm from I say I'm from the state where I've lived my entire life save six months. Why in the fuck would I say "I'm from D.C.?"
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Old May 7 2009, 06:58 PM   #250
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yeah, I've got a whole lotta places I'm from. India, NJ, DC. what to pick? what to pick?!

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Old May 7 2009, 06:59 PM   #251
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Just to say the Not Canon was more of a joke, in that its what any fanboy (mainly Trek) says when they really dislike something. A few Trek fans do like to pick and choose their canonicity of Trek, which I never really went with until I saw this film.


What other specific aspects of the film did you not like? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
What didn't I like? As I say I don't want to write an essay, but it just didn't feel like Star Trek to me at all. It was just like any other whiz bang meaningless summer blockbuster you see, all jazzed up like say 2007's Transformers with a huge mess of CGI and a few tits and arse shots for the Zoo/Nuts crowd all hide that it has no soul and is forgettable throwaway trash.

I would have preferred if they'd simply gone for a reboot/remake plain & simple (ala Batman Begins for example) rather that trying to ram into the canon. I really don't see how the event of the USS Kelvin battle made Starfleet radically change their interior & exterior Starship design, erased 'The Cage' from existence, gave Spock & Uhura a romance, etc etc?
And mostly I just found it boring. Once it got to the part where Kirk was marooned on the ice planet the whole film was blatantly signposted- he's gonna find old Spock and Scotty, get back on the Enterprise somehow, take command, save the day, end up as Captain, bla bla bla. Which when it's a prequel you can kinda expect what to happen anyway, but not for it to be so dull.
It started out pretty "meh" I thought, but when it got to the scene of Kirk meeting McCoy I though "oh that's cool, this might be pretty sweet actually". But it just went back to meh and worse.

Here's a thing, I remember that thing where at some fan showing of Wrath of the Khan recently Leonard Nimoy showed up and played them this film instead. About two thirds into watching it I would have HAPPILY had them turn it off and watch WOK instead on the big screen. Hell, Search For Spock would have done.


And going back to why I'd have preferred it as a remake, then you wouldn't have to have all of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and the movies as we know them erased from existence by this "new timeline"
I find that offensive frankly, it just wasn't necessary to make a decent movie

The constant lens flares just got annoying, Chekov was embarrassing, the music was atrocious (I kept thinking "just use the John Williams theme, not this pathetic lifeless dross"), the Enterprise is dog ugly, Nero was a total cypher with no charatcer at all, Shinzon was better than he was for chrissakes, the Kobayashi Maru part just seemed slapped in their to keep the fans happy, the line about Admiral Archer's beagle was retarded in its illogicity...

Oh well, at least Abrams kept up the truism once spoken by Simon Pegg about the odd numbered Trek films


Haha, nice rant. See? You got me writing an essay!

If you like it fine, just to express my opinion that I thought it sucked. Definitely won't be buying the DVD
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Old May 7 2009, 07:01 PM   #252
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Then why did Kirk tell Gillian he was from Iowa?


this really gives you away, April. oh man.

Jesus, what a dumb thing to nitpick.
Well, expecting anything more from the good captain wouldn't be realistic.
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Old May 7 2009, 07:05 PM   #253
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And going back to why I'd have preferred it as a remake, then you wouldn't have to have all of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and the movies as we know them erased from existence by this "new timeline"
I find that offensive frankly, it just wasn't necessary to make a decent movie
I can accept all you didn't like about this film though I disagree, but after all we've read and seen onscreen to see this utter crap about erasures from existence again is truly unbelievable...
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Old May 7 2009, 07:07 PM   #254
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And going back to why I'd have preferred it as a remake, then you wouldn't have to have all of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and the movies as we know them erased from existence by this "new timeline"
I find that offensive frankly, it just wasn't necessary to make a decent movie
I can accept all you didn't like about this film though I disagree, but after all we've read and seen onscreen to see this utter crap about erasures from existence again is truly unbelievable...
I agree with you SalvorHardin. The original timeline is not destroyed. There are just 2 timelines now.
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Old May 7 2009, 07:07 PM   #255
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Well I don't know what to say, I was blown away by it and really enjoyed the movie. It had great action and humour and all the main cast were good.

I have to say Pike was awesome and I hope he is in any future movies.

I would write more but my brain is all over the place with excitement at the moment
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