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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
Excellent 706 62.70%
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Average 84 7.46%
Below Average 46 4.09%
Poor 77 6.84%
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Old May 7 2009, 05:25 AM   #181
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Re: Star Trek XI :Did anyone dislike this movie other than me? [Spoile

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Ok,after years of hype,my opinion is that
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All the special effects in the world does not a good movie make.

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Is there any reason this couldn't have been posted in the pinned grading and discussion thread at the top of this forum? Posting your reactions to the movie -- whether good, bad, or indifferent -- is the whole reason for that thread being there.
As Sulu's Lover has posted several times since I asked the above question and no reason has been offered, I'm merging this thread with the pinned grading and discussion thread. Hang on...
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Old May 7 2009, 05:43 AM   #182
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Now, what exactly were the references to the other Star Trek series? Admiral Archer and his beagle were kind of obvious, but what about The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager? Were they referenced at all? I guess the Cardassian drink could be an homage to TNG or DS9. Or did I miss something?

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Old May 7 2009, 05:45 AM   #183
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Re: Star Trek XI :Did anyone dislike this movie other than me? [Spoile

M'Sharak wrote: View Post
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Ok,after years of hype,my opinion is that
<snip>
All the special effects in the world does not a good movie make.

Rob Norberg
Spoiler warning added to thread title.

Is there any reason this couldn't have been posted in the pinned grading and discussion thread at the top of this forum? Posting your reactions to the movie -- whether good, bad, or indifferent -- is the whole reason for that thread being there.
As Sulu's Lover has posted several times since I asked the above question and no reason has been offered, I'm merging this thread with the pinned grading and discussion thread. Hang on...
Could you explain to me why you moved my thread ? I didn't even see you post a question to me . There doesn't seem to be any private messages on this board which seems odd to me.


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Old May 7 2009, 05:46 AM   #184
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Very entertaining movie. After seeing engineering, or what most of it seems devoted to, it's obvious the 23rd century feds are a bunch of moonshiners in this alternate reality - I guess the interstellar economy had to be based on something.

Amongst other interesting tech quirks are seriously longer range transporters, or was that perhaps a one-off upgrade using some know-how from 2387? (oh ya - stardates that obviously incorporate the calender year - big ups on that)

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Old May 7 2009, 05:53 AM   #185
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Could you explain to me why you moved my thread ? I didn't even see you post a question to me .
It's in the very post you are quoting, actually.
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Old May 7 2009, 06:11 AM   #186
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Re: Star Trek XI :Did anyone dislike this movie other than me? [Spoile

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Allright,after years of hype,my opinion is that this movie just fell flat.

In an effort to bring Star Trek to a new audience , Mr.Abrams used every modern day filming technique and special effect that he possibly could . Fast pans,shakey camera,fast cuts,out of focus shots,etc. detracted from some key scenes.

Spock is now a highly emotional person that is carrying on an open affair with Uhura , that in my opinion was made to appear slutty. Kirk is a bit over the top and is made to look like an obnoxious street tough from some era gone by . Even Scotty was made to look a bit ditzy and did not carry the same dignity as the original.

In an effort to bring Lenord Nimoy into the film ,the Star Trek backstory is forever alltered through the never ending Star Trek standby story line, "Time Travel".

The new Enterprise Bridge looks like my old friends mothers Jewish boyfriends bachelor pad on the top floor of the Gloucester Apartment Building in Downtown Boston circa. 1977.

It was so pathetic, when in an effort to somehow tie in the old Star Trek with the new, the catchphases,Spock :"Illogical", and McCoy:" Im a doctor not a " caused the audience to break out in spontaneous applause . One of the only still shots in the movie , Spock crouching down next to Kirk , phasers in hands , was obviously made to look like the 1967 promo shot , many are familiar with . I am not buying it.

The saving grace of the movie ? Doctor McCoy .Will everyone love it? Of course . The average movie going audience has been force fed a steady diet of sub par films and this one is no different . All the special effects in the world does not a good movie make.

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Old May 7 2009, 06:20 AM   #187
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Re: Star Trek XI :Did anyone dislike this movie other than me? [Spoile

TGTheodore wrote: View Post
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Allright,after years of hype,my opinion is that this movie just fell flat.

In an effort to bring Star Trek to a new audience , Mr.Abrams used every modern day filming technique and special effect that he possibly could . Fast pans,shakey camera,fast cuts,out of focus shots,etc. detracted from some key scenes.

Spock is now a highly emotional person that is carrying on an open affair with Uhura , that in my opinion was made to appear slutty. Kirk is a bit over the top and is made to look like an obnoxious street tough from some era gone by . Even Scotty was made to look a bit ditzy and did not carry the same dignity as the original.

In an effort to bring Lenord Nimoy into the film ,the Star Trek backstory is forever alltered through the never ending Star Trek standby story line, "Time Travel".

The new Enterprise Bridge looks like my old friends mothers Jewish boyfriends bachelor pad on the top floor of the Gloucester Apartment Building in Downtown Boston circa. 1977.

It was so pathetic, when in an effort to somehow tie in the old Star Trek with the new, the catchphases,Spock :"Illogical", and McCoy:" Im a doctor not a " caused the audience to break out in spontaneous applause . One of the only still shots in the movie , Spock crouching down next to Kirk , phasers in hands , was obviously made to look like the 1967 promo shot , many are familiar with . I am not buying it.

The saving grace of the movie ? Doctor McCoy .Will everyone love it? Of course . The average movie going audience has been force fed a steady diet of sub par films and this one is no different . All the special effects in the world does not a good movie make.

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Old May 7 2009, 06:59 AM   #188
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

I haven't read this thread, but I just got back from a preview screening in Sacramento. Of this movie I can only say this...of all the Trek movies I have encountered in my travels, this was the most...satisfying.

Seriously, I loved this movie. I have waited three years for tonight, it was worth it-I will see this movie at least 4 more times in theaters-so mark me down for at least $35.00 in gross.

This movie will do at least $300,000,000. My two cents.

I'm going to try to sleep now.


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Old May 7 2009, 09:10 AM   #189
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Saw it at the press screening, and all I can say is that I'm oh, so glad that I didn't have to pay for it.

Suffice it to say that I was massively underwhelmed. Plot contrivances, shaky camera, even in the CGI stuff, cringe inducing dialogue, a "Look at MEEE!" glory shot of the ship every five minutes, all capped off with a closing credit sequence ripped off from the Lost in Space movie....well, let's just say that just about everything I said before I saw it, stands.

Some of the more minor annoyances:

Pink skinned Vulcans Y'know, JJ, there was a reason they painted Nimoy yellow way back when, and it's because of that green Vulcan blood.

The Kelvin 800 people made it off, after getting the crap kicked out it, which killed how many? And this is supposed to be a pre-TOS ship? Sorry, but that bucket reeked more of TNG, both in capacity and in the crew complement, which apparently included families, another TNG contrivance that didn't make it past "Generations" (the Enterprise-E doesn't have families on board). The interiors also indicated a much more
massive ship, on the order of a Galaxy class starship.

The technology Compared to TOS, most it, quite frankly, sucked. The front window/viewscreen was blurry and distorted, the transporter didn't work half as well as even the NX-01's, and the phasers, both shipboard and handheld, all behaved more like Star Wars blasters and turbolasers than their TOS predecessors. And need I mention Sulu's automatically unfolding katana, which helped him in his dashing impression of Luke Skywalker in the barge scene in "Return of the Jedi"? Or how the ships going to warp bore an uncanny resemblence to SW ships going to hyperspace? Should George Lucas be flattered or should he be calling his lawyers?

Delta Vega As an astute poster over on trekmovie.com pointed out, the name of the neighboring planet that Spock was stranded on really didn't have any bearing on the story, but by invoking the name of Delta Vega, the writers shined a big bright spotlight on this bit, making it quite clear that, deep down, they don't know what they're doing. A big part of "honoring canon" is getting the details right; otherwise, it's just meaningless name dropping and pandering.

Chekov Excuse me, but exactly when did Chekov turn into Wesley Crusher? Also, at age seventeen, he should be starting his first year at the Academy, not already be a commissioned officer. But then, these clowns clearly don't know a thing about military protocol, since they also take a guy who was a cadet facing some serious charges a couple of days earlier and give him command of their biggest and most advanced ship. At the very least, it's clear they wouldn't know the chain of command if someone came up and beat 'em about the head and shoulders with it.

And my complaint about Spock still remains: He knows how to achieve a time warp, and he knows precisely what happened when, why it happened, and how to circumvent those events. So why doesn't he get a ship, do a few time jumps, and fix everything that got screwed up? He could not only restore the timeline, but finally cement a lasting peace between the Romulan Empire and the Federation.

So why doesn't he do this?

Because Spock has to have a sudden attack of the stupids in order for JJ to get his own Star Trek universe to run amok in.

Urban was good as McCoy, Pine was okay as Kirk, can't really grade Greenwood as Pike since we never got that much from Jeffery Hunter to form a basis of comparison, but taken on it's own, he gives a good performance, Yelchin was downright embarrassing as Chekov, Quinto just seemed to be PMSing all the time, and the rest of the cast was just sort of there.

The ship still looks stupid, and the decision to build it on the surface is the singlemost idiotic move in the entire history of the franchise. It didn't help that the "Riverside shipyards" were clearly a present day industrial facility, either an oil refinery or electrical substation. Engineering looking alternately like a water treatment plant and, like it is in real life, a brewery, only adds insult to injury.

The choice of "Crap on a stick" isn't available, so I voted "Poor".

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Old May 7 2009, 09:30 AM   #190
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Saw it at the press screening,
Suuuuure.

so I voted "Poor".
Coming from you, that's a big shocker.
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Old May 7 2009, 09:46 AM   #191
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Saw this on another board as a possible explanation for why Spock doesn't just time travel to fix things:
Well, he can't go back into the future at that point to fix things as he's already in the alternate timeline. And if he goes back in time to when Nero first shows up, how exactly is he going to stop him? Nothing in that time era is capable of destroying Nero's ship, and he has no access to the red matter in his own ship as Nero has it in his possession.
Makes sense to me - if the Narada can lay waste to anything from that time period, why would Spock try to go back in time to stop it when he has nothing that would help?
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Honestly, the canon could still happen. With the notable exception of the destruction of Vulcan.
With all due respect, that is perhaps the craziest most stupid thing i ever heard.... its like saying stalin was a nice guy...... with the exception of purges, murders, secret police, megolomania, historical revisionism......
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Old May 7 2009, 09:57 AM   #193
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Hey, don't forget the bit about how Hitler liked his dog.
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Old May 7 2009, 10:02 AM   #194
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Saw this on another board as a possible explanation for why Spock doesn't just time travel to fix things:
Well, he can't go back into the future at that point to fix things as he's already in the alternate timeline. And if he goes back in time to when Nero first shows up, how exactly is he going to stop him? Nothing in that time era is capable of destroying Nero's ship, and he has no access to the red matter in his own ship as Nero has it in his possession.
Makes sense to me - if the Narada can lay waste to anything from that time period, why would Spock try to go back in time to stop it when he has nothing that would help?
Feldercarb.

Did Spock have access to any of this "red matter" any of the three times he's been involved in a slingshot maneuver ("Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment: Earth" and ST IV)?

Go back before Nero attacks the Kelvin and changes the timeline, then go forward to make sure that supernova is dealt with before it destroys Romulus. Presto, all problems solved, a grateful Romulus signs a peace treaty with the Federation, and Nero gets to make little bald Romulan babies with his hot Romulan wife.
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Saw this on another board as a possible explanation for why Spock doesn't just time travel to fix things:
Well, he can't go back into the future at that point to fix things as he's already in the alternate timeline. And if he goes back in time to when Nero first shows up, how exactly is he going to stop him? Nothing in that time era is capable of destroying Nero's ship, and he has no access to the red matter in his own ship as Nero has it in his possession.
Makes sense to me - if the Narada can lay waste to anything from that time period, why would Spock try to go back in time to stop it when he has nothing that would help?
Feldercarb.

Did Spock have access to any of this "red matter" any of the three times he's been involved in a slingshot maneuver ("Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment: Earth" and ST IV)?

Go back before Nero attacks the Kelvin and changes the timeline, then go forward to make sure that supernova is dealt with before it destroys Romulus. Presto, all problems solved, a grateful Romulus signs a peace treaty with the Federation, and Nero gets to make little bald Romulan babies with his hot Romulan wife.
But would traveling back before that point in time (Kelvin incident) guarantee that moving forward would move you into the right timeline to begin with? You might end up in a timeline that's very similar to where you were but isn't completely the same as the time travel back could still cause some alteration to the timeline unbeknown to the traveler.

And I brought up the red matter not because of time travel, but because it was what ended up destroying Nero's ship and was the only thing he could possibly use in that timeline to stop Nero if he could somehow get his ship back, otherwise he had no realistic options to do so. I thought the point I was trying to make there would be obvious to someone who has seen the movie.
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