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Old May 1 2009, 10:02 PM   #91
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

Going on Danny Boy's words they will attempt to use the nuke to stop the Incident, not realizing that they will be the ones who cause the Incident by trying to stop it. Irony!
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Old May 2 2009, 12:53 AM   #92
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Oh, I understand that. I just think Ferraday is wrong in this case. I don't think it's a feedback loop. His original explanation that all these events already happened makes sense to me (and by all, I'm including them being there).
Well, Farraday apparently changed his mind after much research on the mainland and I'll take his word on it!

Plus, I like to go with the more empowering notion. That information empowers you rather than imprisons you.

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The information doesn't imprison you unless you know what your actions were in the past. If you don't, you do whatever you like. It just happens to be that, in the future, those actions that you did were always done.
And, I just don't buy that more limited view. Knowledge sets you free.

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Old May 2 2009, 01:32 AM   #93
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

But maybe the point is that Our Heroes™ don't know how everything will turn out. They might think they do, but all evidence so far suggests that they really don't. For example, it looks like the attempt to stop the Incident from happening will be the very cause for it to happen. Or Sayid, he thought he could change the time with killing Ben in the past, but it seems like he only furthered his bond to the Hostiles.

I agree that all of this would be tedious drama if they (and us) would already know how everything will turn out. But the thing is, we don't know what will happen. As Daniel said, this is the Losties' present. They can die. And I think that makes it all the more entertaining.

But I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Old May 2 2009, 01:42 AM   #94
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

I think from a purely story point of view they won't let them change the past/future. Free will or not, variables or constants, changeable or set in stone, it doesn't matter.

From a story/series point of view being able to change the past in any meaningful way would negate the entire series. It would be just as bad as pulling an "it was all a dream" ending. And I give these show runners a bit more respect then to think they would do that.

So I don't think they will/can prevent the incident, or 815 from crashing, or Return of the Jedi from having Ewoks in it, or Charlotte from dying (or Eko, or Anna-Lucia, Charlie, etc...). To do that would be cheating the audience.
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Old May 2 2009, 02:58 AM   #95
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

I was looking around for some screen caps from someplace other than lost-media and found a page about an Easter Egg in this episode.

Episode 5x14 - Rabbit Through Glass

Cool!
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Old May 2 2009, 03:00 AM   #96
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I was looking around for some screen caps from someplace other than lost-media and found a page about an Easter Egg in this episode.

Episode 5x14 - Rabbit Through Glass
Wow, now that is cool!
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Old May 2 2009, 01:22 PM   #97
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

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if this does turn out to be Daniel's swansong...at least we got a buncha gaps of his life filled it, especially his scenes in both S4 premiere and S5 premiere as well as his chat with l'il Charlotte.

(Musing aside, not a spoiler...Even though there are chats with the show creators about no "reset" plans, that events won't be changed...I wouldn't mind seeing a S6 where we see scenes from that original 108 days again from a reset or changed perspective. But I'm a big time loop fan from way back.)

The only thing that confused me is that, in '77, when big Dan is gunned down, little Daniel had already been born, right? . Charlotte was about 4 or 5, Miles was perhaps younger - i figure piano-playing 8 yr old Dan is already off the island. If so, how can Ellie be in 2 places at once...[must be a quick submarine trip]. Did anyone else get the feeling that the first scene with mom and son happened very soon after the last scene with mom & son?
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Old May 2 2009, 01:55 PM   #98
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The only thing that confused me is that, in '77, when big Dan is gunned down, little Daniel had already been born, right? . Charlotte was about 4 or 5, Miles was perhaps younger - i figure piano-playing 8 yr old Dan is already off the island. If so, how can Ellie be in 2 places at once...[must be a quick submarine trip]. Did anyone else get the feeling that the first scene with mom and son happened very soon after the last scene with mom & son?
The Others don't even have access to the sub. The sub belongs to Dharma. It's unclear how the Others get back and forth to the mainland before they take control of the sub following the purge. We don't know really know what happened with Ellie....whether she was living a double life (as Widmore apparently was), whether she spent some time on the Island and some off or what. Nor do we know why Faraday's last name is "Faraday" for that matter.
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Old May 2 2009, 05:45 PM   #99
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

Just because we haven't seen him doesn't necessarily mean that little Daniel isn't in the Others' camp somewhere.
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Old May 2 2009, 07:12 PM   #100
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Just because we haven't seen him doesn't necessarily mean that little Daniel isn't in the Others' camp somewhere.

But he didn't start getting bad nose bleeds like everyone else did during the Time Jumps. According to what he said, the longer you were on the island the worse it would be. Charlotte got it worse because she had been on the island as a child. Then Miles started getting bad, because he was also there as a kid. Then it was Juliette, then Sawyer (in terms of how bad they were getting). Daniel was the least effected by the Jumps, which means he was probably never on the island before he parachuted in.
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Old May 3 2009, 12:04 AM   #101
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Or maybe because he was the only one who was an Other.
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Old May 3 2009, 06:08 AM   #102
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Or maybe because he was the only one who was an Other.
Ooo... Good point.
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Old May 3 2009, 08:43 AM   #103
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

he could have been off the island, somehow Widmore came and went off the Island, somehow Richard came and went off the island, so there IS a way for the others/hostiles to leave
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Old May 3 2009, 10:35 AM   #104
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Re: Lost 5x14: "The Variable"

Or his timetravel experiments prepared and protected him against it. I know, sounds very much like Trek time travel logic, but then again what was that little movie called Abrams is about to release into the theaters?
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Old May 5 2009, 07:04 PM   #105
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