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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

View Poll Results: What did you think of Sela?
Liked her 25 30.12%
In between 23 27.71%
Disliked her 20 24.10%
Good idea, bad execution 15 18.07%
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Old April 24 2009, 02:47 AM   #31
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Re: Sela...

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It seems that if a person is half of one and half of the other, in their younger years they try may be more a whole of one than Thou, while seeming to reject the other half of their heritage. Leonard Nimoy, playing Spock, did this with finesse through TOS and the ST movies. We learned his Human side wasn't dead and was a great resource.

Sela? I would say good idea/bad execution. I could see Half Human/Half Romulan on the Fed side of the Neutral Zone being a fanatical Fed, but, having to make peace with their supressed inner Romulan. There is no plot opening for Sela to do this.
A half-human, half-Romulan in the Federation would just be a half-human, half-Vulcan, no?

A more interesting take was "The Drumhead". This struck me as the most realistic. Simon Tarses has Romulan ancestry and wants to hide it. Tarses is ambivalent as well. It raises a whole slew of questions of the enlightenment and tolerance of the Federation. One of their citizens felt the need to lie on a Star fleet application.
Yet Tarses told the truth. He claimed he was part Vulcan.

Which raises a troubling notion--he really didn't lie, unless the application was so specific that Starfleet asks you not just what species you are, but what ethnic group from that species. Hey, I wonder if they asked Sisko if his ancestry was from Africa?

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Remember the defector DeSeve from 'Face of the Enemy' that had been living on Romulus for years? That, combined with the lack of Romulan resemblance on Sela is actually what made me think of the idea of alternate Yar herself as Sela. It seems to me that an officer from a failed Federation colony who had grown to hate Kliingons after years of war might decide that the way the Federation worked wasn't for her after all, and fit in all too well on Romulus...
The more you expound on this idea, the more sold I am. It avoids some of the questionable aspects of Sela's past while preserving the value of the character.

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I would have believed her character was half-Romulan more if she had black hair. Otherwise, she was okay.
How come? We've had Vulcans display significant morphological diversity. Blonde hair's the least of it.
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Old April 24 2009, 02:47 AM   #32
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A Bad Idea (tm) made worse by the fact that Denise Crosby can't act.
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Old April 24 2009, 03:12 AM   #33
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I enjoy both Redemption and Unification very much. The character Sela did not add anything nor did she take anything away from them in my eye. It was simply a convenient way to give Denise Crosby a paycheck and explore the consequences of the alternative Picard's decision to allow Yar to serve aboard the Enterprise-C.
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Old April 24 2009, 04:35 AM   #34
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I'm inclined to agree that Sela is not that great of a character, and Tomalok was a good alternative in "Redemption." One reason I consider "Yesterday's Enterprise" my favorite TNG ep is that the writing was so strong. We got to see the sort of Tasha Yar who would have made a cool regular, who seemed well developed compared to how she was used in some of the S1 eps. It always impresses me how well written Tasha is in this ep, even though her "revival" is short and ultimately temporary. Letting her die honorably is a great component of the story.
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Old April 24 2009, 07:18 AM   #35
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I would have believed her character was half-Romulan more if she had black hair. Otherwise, she was okay.
How come? We've had Vulcans display significant morphological diversity. Blonde hair's the least of it.
There's also this to consider - Denise Crosby dubbed in lines for the episode where the Romulans brainwash Geordi and a different actress was seen entering the room and walking off to the shadows - a woman who can be seen with the standard Romulan hair. Perhaps Sela actually does have the Romulan black hair but cut and dyed it to play up her resemblance to Tasha, in the hopes of having a psychological advantage with the Enterprise crew.
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Old April 25 2009, 12:51 AM   #36
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^Well, that's true.
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Old April 25 2009, 05:04 AM   #37
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A Bad Idea (tm) made worse by the fact that Denise Crosby can't act.
I am shocked and appalled. I admit she didn't have quite the chops of some of the other cast members, but I thought she was a decent actress. And if I ever doubt her ability, all I need to do is watch "Yesterday's Enterprise". I truly believe she gave a tremendously intense and emotional performance in that episode.

While lot of the credit for that episode's resonance is due to the writing and the performances by the rest of the cast (I love the way Patrick Stewart plays Picard's frustration at Guinan's vagueness about her feelings), I am certain that Crosby's acting was an integral part of what made that episode work so beautifully. She may have been a limited actress, but given the right dialogue and character arc (neither of which she quite had in "Unification", to get back on topic), I think she was capable of some great work.

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Old April 25 2009, 05:14 AM   #38
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Too Much, you are such a nice person...

I have to say that I have never admired Denise Crosby's acting, either - she did fine in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (although even there, I thought she overdid it here and there) but most of her other performances ranged from either workmanlike to...not very good. The really bad one that comes to mind is "Code of Honor" - an awful performance in an awful, awful episode. But of course, there weren't that many good episodes in the first season, and she would probably have done better with better material. But most of the other regulars didn't make me cringe even with the bad material, and I'm sorry to say that Crosby did.
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Old April 25 2009, 08:31 AM   #39
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Liked her a lot. Liked the stories that featured her.

Understand that others disagree, but I liked Denise's acting as well.

But hey, isn't that the beauty of fandom. We ALL know how it should have been done so much better - all these years later.
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Old April 25 2009, 12:24 PM   #40
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I have to admit that her acting kind of jumped around. I thought she did great as War Tasha in YE, but when I saw her as Sela explaining how she was "all Romulan" in Redemption I was somewhat disappointed. Maybe it's the material and directing?
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Old April 25 2009, 03:26 PM   #41
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I voted good idea bad execution ... I thought the acting was a little weak myself and the character herself wasnt up to snuff with the quality i was used to seeing ... but I am a sucker for time paradoxes and things of that nature
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Old April 25 2009, 07:25 PM   #42
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I have to admit that her acting kind of jumped around. I thought she did great as War Tasha in YE, but when I saw her as Sela explaining how she was "all Romulan" in Redemption I was somewhat disappointed. Maybe it's the material and directing?
I don't know, I kinda like the idea that in that moment, she is trying to convince both Picard and herself of those words - Her whole life she grew up hating her mother for betraying her father, but now she's meeting these people who knew a version of her mother. As an example, I've grown up hating my deceased father, but if I suddenly found a chance to learn more about him... I don't know how I'd react. So if Sela felt the same... It could be she's afraid that she's going to find her image of her mother challenged, come to realize that her mother really was a prisoner, but loved her enough to try and take her with her.
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Old April 25 2009, 07:44 PM   #43
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Denise Crosby was not a good actress and they didn't really execute the idea of her very well especially in "Unification" but she had potential and would have loved to have her be the Nemesis in Nemesis.
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Old April 25 2009, 07:55 PM   #44
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^Considering they were trying to be like TWOK, a pre-existing enemy would have been better than Shinzon.

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Old April 25 2009, 08:01 PM   #45
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For my money, Yar was the weakest thing in YE, an otherwise excellent episode. I'd have much prefered it if Captain Garrett were the central character and the doomed love affair was between her and Picard, a la "COTEF" only with Edith volunteering to die.
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