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Old April 18 2009, 01:59 AM   #31
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Re: The Photoshop Thread, Part IV

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Thanks.


There's something else I'm kind of stuck on... introducing Sisko. I can't figure out how to colorize white skin to brown. I assume that there must be a reasonable way to do it. First, I tried taking a copy of the hands, perform a desaturation, then try to introduce a brownish tone. I couldn't get Photoshop to give me brown tones. I also tried simple hue shifts and darkening... wouldn't work. I then thought about trying a color matching from his facial skin tones, but that seems way too tedious. Any ideas?

use clone on the colour on his head with 25% transparency? use the burn tool?
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Old April 18 2009, 02:32 AM   #32
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There's something else I'm kind of stuck on... introducing Sisko. I can't figure out how to colorize white skin to brown. I assume that there must be a reasonable way to do it. First, I tried taking a copy of the hands, perform a desaturation, then try to introduce a brownish tone. I couldn't get Photoshop to give me brown tones. I also tried simple hue shifts and darkening... wouldn't work. I then thought about trying a color matching from his facial skin tones, but that seems way too tedious. Any ideas?

Use the desaturated hand by duplicating it, putting the copy above the original, and setting the blend mode to multiply. Then get Sisko's skin color and use the pen tool on a blank layer placed between the hands to outline the hands (make sure not to include the nails). The hands should be the same color as his head.
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Old April 18 2009, 07:20 AM   #33
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About Sisko's hands - I think the best tricks are already mentioned. Either to clone the color from his head and putting a layer with 25% (or so) transparency on the hands, or trying to decrease lighting + contrast and fiddling with color-balance.

I guess the best way is simply to try and see what works best. One option is, of course, to search a pic with Sisko's hands showing and using them in this pic. Maybe there is a pic of him on Defiant you could use? Either way - good luck! One part of "the fun" is trying to solve these kinds of tricky situations.

Well, some of you might already know that I am a J/Cer through and through. So majority of my fiddled pics are about J/C. Since I have not used Mark, Janeway's ex-fiancé, before I decided to give it a try. This pic is called "Tension". (Yes, I name my pictures. Ha ha. The above with Picard and Bev is called "Dinner in France".)

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Old April 18 2009, 03:34 PM   #34
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^ Love it!
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Old April 18 2009, 07:05 PM   #35
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There's something else I'm kind of stuck on... introducing Sisko. I can't figure out how to colorize white skin to brown. I assume that there must be a reasonable way to do it. First, I tried taking a copy of the hands, perform a desaturation, then try to introduce a brownish tone. I couldn't get Photoshop to give me brown tones. I also tried simple hue shifts and darkening... wouldn't work. I then thought about trying a color matching from his facial skin tones, but that seems way too tedious. Any ideas?

You should play with the color balance a little too. I don't have much time today, but here is an alternate attempt...


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This pic is called "Tension". (Yes, I name my pictures. Ha ha. The above with Picard and Bev is called "Dinner in France".)

Wow... it is images like that that make me wonder what happen after Voyager returned. That would have made for an interesting episode.
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Old April 18 2009, 07:26 PM   #36
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^^ Tachyon, I really like your J/C takes. Very convincing. Did you grab Mulgrew's face from something outside Voyager? I can't tell if that's her hair or if you grafted her face on another woman's head. Btw, just a suggestion... on the edging of the hair, try using a 3px eraser at 15%. It'll soften up the line so it blends in with the background.

Thanks for the hints. I did try the contrast rebalancing, but didn't like how it affected the lighting... but if the nails are excluded it just might work. Also, the idea of using the skin from his head as a partially opaque layer sounds interesting, bullethead. I've not played with the blending tool much. When trying to do these more complicated edits it becomes all the more clear how important it is to become more knowledgeable of the tools, so that one can draw upon what makes sense. It'll be interesting to see what will work best.
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Old April 18 2009, 07:32 PM   #37
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Thanks Gary. Her headshot is from Voyager, actually. Major part of her hair belongs to a woman in the original pic. Tee hee. Thanks for the hints for improvements.
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Old April 18 2009, 07:45 PM   #38
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OK, what a did here was use the 'light' slider bar down to the dark end, on hue/saturation. I left out the fingernails, then did a 15% rubber stamp from the hands to tone down the 'pink' coloration. Finally, I did a 15% rubber stamp from the highlights on his head to give a little lightening on the top of his hands, to give a little contrast from the 'matte' appearance. Seems like it works.

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Old April 18 2009, 07:55 PM   #39
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You should play with the color balance a little too. I don't have much time today, but here is an alternate attempt...

Nice work, Shaw. I especially like how you got the chin shadow to match his beard. The hands look pretty good. If the fingernails were lightened a little, I think it would look even more realistic. What kind of blur technique did you use on his head? I've found the default blur often too much... the other blur controls are tricky to work, as there are so many considerations. It would be great to have a percentage control the default blur. Incidentally, what is the scene from? Looks like a 1st season episode.
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Old April 18 2009, 09:00 PM   #40
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I gave Khan a second chance... this time, he decides to join Starfleet and with his superior intelligence, manages to achieve the rank of first officer in record time.
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Old April 19 2009, 12:24 AM   #41
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Nice work, Shaw. I especially like how you got the chin shadow to match his beard. The hands look pretty good. If the fingernails were lightened a little, I think it would look even more realistic. What kind of blur technique did you use on his head? I've found the default blur often too much... the other blur controls are tricky to work, as there are so many considerations. It would be great to have a percentage control the default blur. Incidentally, what is the scene from? Looks like a 1st season episode.
Actually the chin shadow I got for free from the original image of Sisko. Here are the two original images (from Balance of Terror and Trials and Tribble-ations) with the final.


Yeah, it could have been better... I'm just really pressed for time lately.

Still, the question about blur is a good one.

How much and where to blur are always the biggest issues when dropping someone into an image... but usually the image gives you the hints you need. Usually if you look at how many pixels it takes to transition from the color of one object to another at an edge, then that is how much blur you'll need (and the Gaussian Blur filter gives you a preview to work with anyways, so you can see how it is effecting your image). And similarly, the blur tool lets you select a strength level.

Also, if you aren't happy with what you are given in an image... change it.

Khan was a big person... so make the person you are putting his head on big as well. Duplicate the background layer, and beef up (or slim down) aspects of the person using the liquify tool. When you are done, remove the rest of the layer other than what you are needing for the person you're working on.

Here is a quick example...


Another great exercise is removing people from images. This should be done when placing heads on people (by removing the original head on a duplicate layer) so that you aren't making the heads too big to cover up the original head. In the example I did above I removed Spock's head first before adding Sisko's.

Oh, and what I use for head sizes (in general) is matching up distances between eyes of the original person, eye level and nose, eyes with placement of ears, etc... there are visual queues to work with that make for great starting points (but every image and person is different).

I still use many of the old techniques, but then again I've been using Photoshop for my work since around 1994 (I still have version 2.5 on one of my systems ). So There might be better ways around somethings that I've never used because the old ways always worked for me (I know that I can do pretty much everything I normally do with at least version 5.5 or later).
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Old April 19 2009, 12:45 AM   #42
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Old April 19 2009, 02:32 AM   #43
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Thanks for those tips, Shaw. And your very useful before-after samples. I didn't know about liquify--what an amazing tool. I tried it out on the uniform shirt and was able to give a little extra muscle to balance out Sisko and Khan. What a rich function it is... looks like there's a lot to learn about it.

Sorry, when I said "blur tool" I mean the blur filter. The strength setting is rather obvious on the tool, but for the filter I can't find anything. Is there a way to set the strength for that? I'll have to give the Gausian blur a try, as that filter provides strength settings upfront.
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Old April 19 2009, 02:33 AM   #44
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Orac, very cool take on Straker. I'll have to see about putting him in the Captain's chair.
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Old April 19 2009, 02:35 AM   #45
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