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Old April 14 2009, 04:07 AM   #16
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Re: "24" seas 1: Naked Mandy, Pretty Jack and Eeeevil Nina!

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Which reminds me, the whole run where Jack is forced to follow the orders of Gaines was really intense and well done, particularly when they were going to make him assassinate Palmer. And remember how long it took before we finally found out WHY Jack and Palmer were the targets? I liked that. 24 had a tendency to shoot its load too early now. This year, [spoiler]Tony was the villain for only 2-4 episodes, and Juma was gotten rid of only halfway in the season (normally that would be the 2/3 point). [/spoiler]
Yeah, S1 24 held it's wad for several episodes back then.
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Old April 14 2009, 04:54 AM   #17
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But Kim seemed "stupid" in the rebellious teenager sort of way, more "forgivable" if you will. Later on, it was less excusable, because she was no longer that teenager.
Agreed.

She was still stupid, though. Chiefly in latching on to her fucking kidnapper like a puppy.
It's natural to latch onto one's kidnappers like a puppy. Capture bonding is the technical term for the psychological mechanism, it's commonly known as Stockholm Syndrome.

It's a survival mechanism. Connecting emotionally with your captors makes it more difficult for them to kill you. And it was fairly useful in the days when the only way to avoid incest was to kidnap spouses from a rival tribe, or get kidnapped.
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Old April 14 2009, 06:22 AM   #18
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Old April 14 2009, 08:51 AM   #19
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Quote from Carlos Bernard:

I think the story got more personal again. I always felt like '24' was best when it was rooted in the characters and not trying to outdo itself with big crises. It’s like the bombs were getting bigger and bigger and the crises were getting bigger. I think it’s better when it’s told on a smaller scale. The first season was like that and this season reminded me of that first season in the way it plays out.
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Old April 14 2009, 11:15 AM   #20
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Re: "24" seas 1: Naked Mandy, Pretty Jack and Eeeevil Nina!

This thread is kinda making me want to go back and watch the first couple of seasons again.
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Old April 14 2009, 12:08 PM   #21
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Re: "24" seas 1: Naked Mandy, Pretty Jack and Eeeevil Nina!

Current 24 could do with more Naked Mandy, I agree.

However, season one had some great moments and because it was the first season I didn't get the feeling that a lot of them were just put in to top what they did last season.

For some reason, Teri Bauer "taking one for the team" to protect her daughter had a lot more impact than Jack randomly torturing people.
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Old April 14 2009, 02:37 PM   #22
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But Kim seemed "stupid" in the rebellious teenager sort of way, more "forgivable" if you will. Later on, it was less excusable, because she was no longer that teenager.
Agreed.

She was still stupid, though. Chiefly in latching on to her fucking kidnapper like a puppy.
It's natural to latch onto one's kidnappers like a puppy. Capture bonding is the technical term for the psychological mechanism, it's commonly known as Stockholm Syndrome.

It's a survival mechanism. Connecting emotionally with your captors makes it more difficult for them to kill you. And it was fairly useful in the days when the only way to avoid incest was to kidnap spouses from a rival tribe, or get kidnapped.
Does Stockholm set-in after a few hours, though?
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Old April 14 2009, 02:41 PM   #23
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I doubt that it would, but I am no psychologist. OTOH, Rick was somewhat sensitive and defensive for her... so that could have colored her perceptions.
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Old April 14 2009, 02:48 PM   #24
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I doubt that it would, but I am no psychologist. OTOH, Rick was somewhat sensitive and defensive for her... so that could have colored her perceptions.
She was still a twit.
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Old April 14 2009, 02:50 PM   #25
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A young twit, caught up in extraordinary circumstances.
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Old April 14 2009, 02:54 PM   #26
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^Plus there was a point to her being there, she was being used to enforce her father's compliance. From season two onwards she was just shoe-horned in to the story and menaced by Cougars for no reason.
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Old April 14 2009, 03:11 PM   #27
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A young twit, caught up in extraordinary circumstances.
Well she was nearly as useless and dumb as she was in S2.

"Sure, honey. Set the officer driving the car at highway speeds on fire!"
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Old April 14 2009, 07:50 PM   #28
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Old April 16 2009, 08:56 PM   #29
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Nope. Tony's bad and has been all along. Rene will still kill him to save Jack, I think, but there'll be no last minute "I did it for the children" turn around. Tony is Jack if he hadn't gone on a walkabout. Freckles is pre-Jack, before he became the cynical at any cost agent. She's actually begun to turn him back from that. Course, look what it got him: a facefull of crippling disease. She'll end up nursing him back from that too, though, with hot Freckled love, so I guess he wins after all.

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Old April 16 2009, 09:57 PM   #30
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I think that was my old Mod Bio...
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