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Old April 11 2009, 06:35 PM   #496
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Re: A Singular Destiny review thread (possible spoilers)

Ugh, Sorry for being a Jean-y come lately and diverting from the topic! After reading over KRAD's annos, I've just gotta say how much I loved this book once again, I'm very disheartened that we're not going to see Sonak Pran or any of the other Decandidio characters again very soon.

When's the next KRAD book coming out??? We're dying over here! I guess we'll have to be sated by the Klingon Alien spotlight in the meantime.
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Old April 12 2009, 11:13 PM   #497
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I'm about halfway through this novel at the moment and am really enjoying it. Will post my thoughts when I finish.
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Old April 13 2009, 07:21 AM   #498
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I started this book yesterday, so far so good.

I got one question, in the book Gomez is now a captain but still leads the SCE team, and it is said that she's the only captain in Starfleet with a gold collar. what about Scotty? shouldn't he be in gold as well?
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Old April 13 2009, 07:40 AM   #499
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Old April 13 2009, 12:55 PM   #500
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Presumably "captain" in the sense that she commands a ship-- I'm sure there are plenty of engineers ranked captain out there.
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Old April 13 2009, 01:53 PM   #501
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Correct--I meant ship captain, not person with that rank.
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Old April 13 2009, 02:03 PM   #502
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It would be so much easier for the rest of us if the Navy hadn't decided it made sense to use the same word for a rank and a job description that aren't automatically congruent...
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Old April 13 2009, 08:07 PM   #503
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It would be so much easier for the rest of us if the Navy hadn't decided it made sense to use the same word for a rank and a job description that aren't automatically congruent...
You mean like the difference between being inside an office and being elected to an office?
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Old April 13 2009, 08:17 PM   #504
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It would be so much easier for the rest of us if the Navy hadn't decided it made sense to use the same word for a rank and a job description that aren't automatically congruent...
Yeah, but Starfleet's not military, so that's really no excuse.

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Old April 13 2009, 08:37 PM   #505
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moreover, Starfleet's not the USN IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!
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Old April 13 2009, 09:16 PM   #506
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Which just makes it more annoying that Starfleet has perpetuated the practice.
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Old April 13 2009, 10:37 PM   #507
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Correct--I meant ship captain, not person with that rank.
that makes sense, thanks.
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Old April 15 2009, 11:02 AM   #508
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Just finished, and I've gotta say, it was a fantastic read.

At first, I thought the jumping, varying nature of the scenes was just going to show different aspects of the Alpha Quadrant in the wake of the Borg invasion; I had no idea that they were going to be subtly linked together through Sekki, which was an ingenious idea. It was almost like a mystery - as soon as Sonek realised that there was a pattern, I was trying to figure out the connections as he was.

Since this book had so many sub-arcs working back into the main storyline, I thought I'd give my thoughts on each one individually:
  • The refinery on Capella - this was an intriguing plot at first, because it wasn't picked up on for quite a while after it happened. I was more locked in with the other arcs, until Kedair arrived to sort things out, at which point it became completely engaging. Kedair was written fantastically, and she is now easily my favourite from the Aventine crew.
  • The Musgrave and the farantine - personally, I found this to be the weakest arc. I'm not familiar with the SCE books, so I didn't really respond to Fabian Stevens being there, and everything seemed to revolve around technobabble. Although it was cleverly tied back in by the end (and I did like the fact that they reached the conclusion about Sekki themselves), I was glad when their storyline was wrapped up mainly from Sonek, Altoss, and Trabka's point of view.
  • Tal'Aura and Donatra - this was my favourite section of the book. I love the Romulans and the direction they've been taken in, so seeing them after the Borg attack was great. I liked the way Sonek handled the centurions on Artaleirh, and the introduction of Altoss quickly made her an entertaining character, but the best scene has to be the one between Sonek and Donatra. Great dialogue.
  • The Klingons and the Kinshaya - my second favourite section, sheerly for the fact that Klag and the Gorkon completely kicked the Kinshaya's ass. Strangely satisfying, especially since I've never read any of the Gorkon books.
  • Bacco and the Typhon Pact - I'm not sure if this technically counts as a separate story thread, but I love it regardless. Bacco has been a favourite of mine since "A Time for War, A Time for Peace", and seeing her verbally thrash Tezrene was awesome. Can't wait to see how the Typhon Pact develops.
  • The interludes between chapters - very enjoyable, from the death list with some very shocking names right down to T'Lara and the others on the talk show.
While I enjoyed the book overall, there was one problem that stuck with me throughout - and that was Sonek. I liked his character, I thought the premise of him was good, I liked the irony of him not even being able to talk to his own son. But I couldn't see what the big fuss about him was. He didn't say anything special, he didn't say anything that I couldn't imagine, for example, Dax saying. It seemed a bit like the reader was being told to accept that Sonek was a genius communicator without much proof of it.

Another quibble, though more minor, is the theme of music that runs throughout the book (along with the occasional set of lyrics). To me, they didn't fit very well and seemed to jar with the tone of the novel.

Overall, however, I'd still give "A Singular Destiny" a very strong 4.5 out of 5.
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Old April 15 2009, 01:51 PM   #509
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When I had first heard what the scope of this book was intended to be, I kinda figured it couldn't be pulled off. I mean trying to really highlight just how screwed up the Alpha Quadrant and Klingons are after Destiny, I figured it would need at least two books, maybe even a trilogy. So when I first got this book (which didn't arrive at my door till two weeks ago despite the fact that I pre-ordered the day after Christmas) I figured that this would be the one book. I always give authors I enjoy at least one book to disappoint me with, I just figure that everyone has that one book that doesn't quite work and no one can keep the quality going strong forever.

I'm so happy I was wrong. This book was wonderful. I loved the segments between the chapters, it really brought to life what the Borg did to everyone. Sonek Pran was a nice new character, he's not like Curzon or some of the other Trek captains in that he's a great speech maker, he's just the guy who speaks plainly and from the heart in front of the most powerful people in the galaxy. I really wish we had a guy like that in Congress. I've really got to get around to reading Articles of the Federation, this president Bacco is amazing.

And of course the Klingons. It was great to see Klag and the gang going against the Kinshaya. I love these characters and while it wasn't quite as good as another Klingon Empire novel, it should hold me over until the next novel comes out. And speaking of things I hope to see in print one day, can we give Dax and the Aventine their own series? After four books I'm really liking that crew.

Finally, on a really personal note, I want to say a very heart felt thank you for the Bajoran Vedic's speech in the book. In some of the Trek episodes, it feels like the message is that religion isn't really a good thing. And for myself, with a lot of the Christian groups trying to get things changed in public schools (something I'm strongly against) and everything that's been going on in the world, I've felt like the entire world is looking at me like I'm three shades of stupid for believing the way that I do. Then I read that Vedic's speech, the way he keeps his faith, acknowledges the faiths of others, and helps those religious and non-religious, it really means a great deal. I don't know if you're religious yourself or not KRAD, but I've got to say that in those couple of pages you showed you know more about my faith than several others I've met in person. So thank you, and keep up the excellent work.
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Old April 15 2009, 02:22 PM   #510
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^ Thanks to both of you for those lengthy, thoughtful reviews. Very nice things to read on a Wednesday morn'.

Rabid Trekkie, I am, in fact, agnostic and have very little personal use for organized religion. But hey, I'm also a pacifist and a coward, yet I love writing Klingons. Glad you liked the use of religion.

Jean-Luc Picard, I'm sorry the musical end of stuff didn't work for you. It's always a trick to pull that sort of thing off in prose, but to my mind, that was the most important aspect of the novel: art is one of the ways we remind ourselves that we're alive, that we're civilized, that we're okay.

On his Live in Sydney album in 2005, Arlo Guthrie (who is the template for Sonek Pran) said something that really resonated with me:
I remember after this 9.11 event back home, people didn't feel much like playing, singing, they didn't feel like going out. But then I thought, somewhere in the world, somebody's hiding behind a rock or a tree or a wall or something, and somebody else has been shooting at him for quite some time. Somebody's dreaming, somebody's hoping that somewhere, somebody's singing, somebody's smiling and laughing and life is good and it's fun to be a human being and it's all right. And I thought, man, we got to keep that spirit going, so we got back out on the road. But I think of that every time we play now. It'd be nice to be able to go anywhere in the world and go and do these kind of things, and have fun, and live right, and not be worried about stuff like that. So that's my hope, that everywhere in the world that'll happen soon. So here's to that guy who can almost hear it coming in on the wind...
And then he went into "Highway in the Wind."

That's why there's music in A Singular Destiny. But, again, sorry it didn't work for you. *sigh*
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