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Old April 10 2009, 04:42 AM   #1
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Area 51... truth?

So, it seems that thanks to recent moves by the CIA to declassify some projects last year, several former staff at Area 51 have become free to step froward and speak of some of the things that went on there.

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..The problem is the myths of Area 51 are hard to dispute if no one can speak on the record about what actually happened there. Well, now, for the first time, someone is ready to talk—in fact, five men are, and their stories rival the most outrageous of rumors. Colonel Hugh "Slip" Slater, 87, was commander of the Area 51 base in the 1960s. Edward Lovick, 90, featured in "What Plane?" in LA's March issue, spent three decades radar testing some of the world's most famous aircraft (including the U-2, the A-12 OXCART and the F-117). Kenneth Collins, 80, a CIA experimental test pilot, was given the silver star. Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, was an Area 51 special-projects engineer. And Harry Martin, 77, was one of the men in charge of the base's half-million-gallon monthly supply of spy-plane fuels. Here are a few of their best stories—for the record...
Some interesting stuff in this article. Mentions of the U2, OXCART, NERVA rocket program...

I would love to get a look in there.
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Old April 10 2009, 05:00 AM   #2
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There was never much doubt that Area 51 was a testing ground for experimental aircraft. And with the global climate being as it is, not much reason keeping it a "secret".

As for the alien conspiracies, the military must have thought they struck gold as it provided a perfect cover as people chased UFO's and would never believe the truth even if it was staring them in the face (as it is now). Makes it even easier to cover up the real reason for being out there in the desert and keeping the real technology a secret form the U.S.'s enemies.

Besides, everyone knows aliens hang out in crop fields and not deserts
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Old April 10 2009, 07:49 PM   #3
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Re: Area 51... truth?

Damnit, when are we going to find out the truth about the Aurora?
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Old April 11 2009, 03:33 AM   #4
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Re: Area 51... truth?

Of course Area 51 exists, they tested experimental aircraft. However, I do not believe they are keeping alien space craft or aliens there.
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Old April 13 2009, 05:22 PM   #5
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Re: Area 51... truth?

Well, anyone who has read my "Shades of Gray" story pretty much knows what I think, but as it stands now, I think that Area 51 is basically a facility for the manufacture and testing of black ops military craft.

I think that we DO have remains of an alien ship there, but we were able to use VERY little of what we found, and what we did use, we reverse-engineered, to the best of our ability. But this day in age, I think everything that comes out of Area 51 is human-made, either by our own design, or using what we learned from the alien technology.
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Old April 13 2009, 05:43 PM   #6
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Damnit, when are we going to find out the truth about the Aurora?
I've heard that Aurora never really existed.

However, that secret space plane launched from beneath a modified XB-70 is another story.

I've heard that it was suborbital only but could launch small satellites weighing only a few hundred pounds on into LEO.
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Old April 13 2009, 05:53 PM   #7
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Damnit, when are we going to find out the truth about the Aurora?
I've heard that Aurora never really existed..
Actually, the best story I've heard is that it did, but it wasn't a plane - it was a set of procedures/protocols and the related engineering to make automated inflight refuelling a lot quicker and easier for a wider variety of conditions. AURORA was apparently the acronym, though I forget what it stood for.

It's suggested in an excellent book called Travels In Dreamland
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Re: Area 51... truth?

Got to say, there stories were amusing, but the whole thing was boring and still reaked of of lies and hidden information.
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Old April 14 2009, 03:30 AM   #9
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Well, anyone who has read my "Shades of Gray" story pretty much knows what I think, but as it stands now, I think that Area 51 is basically a facility for the manufacture and testing of black ops military craft.

I think that we DO have remains of an alien ship there, but we were able to use VERY little of what we found, and what we did use, we reverse-engineered, to the best of our ability. But this day in age, I think everything that comes out of Area 51 is human-made, either by our own design, or using what we learned from the alien technology.
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Old April 18 2009, 10:56 PM   #10
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Typical "nothing buttery", as in Roswell was nothing but crash dummies and weather baloons, righhhht!
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Old April 18 2009, 11:16 PM   #11
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Got to say, there stories were amusing, but the whole thing was boring and still reaked of of lies and hidden information.
Of course there's hidden information. It was classified for a reason, after all. Specifically, by definition Top Secret material is that which may cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if made publicly available. In practice, simply marking information as TS is often not enough----the most secure information has additional restrictions slapped on it for compartmentalization.

Most people probably wouldn't bother lying, they'd just stop talking at the right times to avoid disclosure.
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Old April 22 2009, 05:10 AM   #12
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Man...there's so much about life beyond earth of late.
It was a headline story on CNN a couple days ago.
Even one notable Astronaut has come out and says
that off-course Area51 happened and there were so many
witnesses.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-13762,00.html

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/...ed_000929.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE0v...eature=related

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...etisearch.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/0...ler/index.html
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Old April 22 2009, 07:44 AM   #13
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trekjiro wrote: View Post
Man...there's so much about life beyond earth of late.
It was a headline story on CNN a couple days ago.
Even one notable Astronaut has come out and says
that off-course Area51 happened and there were so many
witnesses.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-13762,00.html

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/...ed_000929.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE0v...eature=related

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...etisearch.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/0...ler/index.html
And Mitchell's since backed-off/clarified those interviews. He says he's repeateding what he was told by "old timers" he clearly thinks are credible. That's all.

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Yes and my information comes from what I call “the old timers,” because I grew up in the Roswell area and when I went to the moon, some of the old timers from that period, some locals, and others military and intelligence people, who were under rather severe oaths to not reveal any of this and kind of wanted to get their conscience clear and off their chests before they passed on, selected me and said, independently – this wasn’t a group effort – independently that maybe I might be a safe person to tell their story to. And all of them confirmed, and what I’m saying is they confirmed the Roswell incident was a real incident and they in some way had some part in it that they wanted to talk about.
etc., etc. "A friend of mine told me..." Blah blah.
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Old April 22 2009, 09:06 PM   #14
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Re: Area 51... truth?

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Damnit, when are we going to find out the truth about the Aurora?
It usually takes 20-30 years before most really 'black' programs are announced/admitted.
(Remember that the U-2, SR-71 and F-117 were nearly 'antiques' before they were outed...)

And the further we are ahead of everyone else, the less anxious
the Generals are going to announce the existence of those programs.

I'd doubt those programs will see the light of day before 2020....
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Old April 26 2009, 06:29 PM   #15
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Of course Area 51 exists, they tested experimental aircraft. However, I do not believe they are keeping alien space craft or aliens there.
Where else would they keep the alien space craft and alien bodies?
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