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Old April 2 2009, 03:03 AM   #91
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Re: "Whatever Happened, Happened" Live Commentary

That was pretty good for a Kate episode. Glad I could be here tonight. In two weeks, I'll be free from choir for the rest of the season.
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Old April 2 2009, 03:04 AM   #92
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It's all Sayid, Kate, and Sawyer's fault!!!
I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
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Old April 2 2009, 03:08 AM   #93
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It's all Sayid, Kate, and Sawyer's fault!!!
I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
Jack's fault too. He could have prevented the creation of Evil Ben by saving him. Jack screws up by doing stuff and by not doing stuff. He sucks either way.
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Old April 2 2009, 03:10 AM   #94
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Re: "Whatever Happened, Happened" Live Commentary

So Ben goes into the temple and loses his innocence...and maybe a toe or two? That statue has to mean something....
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Old April 2 2009, 03:13 AM   #95
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It's all Sayid, Kate, and Sawyer's fault!!!
I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
Jack's fault too. He could have prevented the creation of Evil Ben by saving him. Jack screws up by doing stuff and by not doing stuff. He sucks either way.
Good observation. So Ben became Ben because of the actions of Sayid and Jack who were both trying to stop Ben from becoming Ben.
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Old April 2 2009, 03:15 AM   #96
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I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
Jack's fault too. He could have prevented the creation of Evil Ben by saving him. Jack screws up by doing stuff and by not doing stuff. He sucks either way.
Good observation. So Ben became Ben because of the actions of Sayid and Jack who were both trying to stop Ben from becoming Ben.
Now that's what you call ironic.
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Old April 2 2009, 03:15 AM   #97
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I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
Jack's fault too. He could have prevented the creation of Evil Ben by saving him. Jack screws up by doing stuff and by not doing stuff. He sucks either way.
Good observation. So Ben became Ben because of the actions of Sayid and Jack who were both trying to stop Ben from becoming Ben.
Yes, at least Kate and Sawyer had a choice, and knew what they were doing, but Sayid's action and Jack's inaction really created Evil!Ben!
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Old April 2 2009, 03:24 AM   #98
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Re: "Whatever Happened, Happened" Live Commentary

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I think we're gonna find that everything on the island is the losties fault
Jack's fault too. He could have prevented the creation of Evil Ben by saving him. Jack screws up by doing stuff and by not doing stuff. He sucks either way.
Good observation. So Ben became Ben because of the actions of Sayid and Jack who were both trying to stop Ben from becoming Ben.
That makes sense, but I think my brain just exploded anyway.
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Old April 2 2009, 03:28 AM   #99
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Of course, it couldn't have played out any other way (or maybe it could have and someone else would have acted and done the same thing, who knows). Either way, Ben had to turn out the way he did. So, in spite of the immense irony of Jack and Sayid creating the Ben they didn't want, they couldn't have stopped it either.
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Hmmm.... it just occurred to me that a certain not-yet-out JJ production also centers around time travel and changing timelines. Maybe this will mean that Dharma never falls...
Nero is actually Richard????
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Old April 3 2009, 02:23 AM   #101
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It's sort of like the question of which came first: the chicken or the egg. Was Ben destined to be an evil person before he entered the temple or was he turned evil only because of the results of the actions of others who weren't even in his past. Hard to believe he was ever an innocent child or innocent anything.
It was an interesting acting out of that old time travel question: if you had the chance to kill Hitler when he was a baby, would you do it? Kill a baby who was totally innocent at the time but would grow up to be a monster. Just like good ol' Ben Linus.
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