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Old March 31 2009, 02:07 AM   #1
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When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

There seems to be some contradictory evidence that eugenics is illegal in the Federation. Unnatural selection clearly shows federation citizens conducting eugenics. In "Masterpiece Society" Picard was more concerned about undermining the integrity of the colony than the fact that we was introducing genetic supermen into Federation society.

So one wonders when the Federation introduced the flat prohibition of eugenics?
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Old March 31 2009, 02:18 AM   #2
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

Dunnough!?!?

The UFP is highly over-rated anyway.

Kind of a dumb irrational ban if you ask me.

Yet another retarded Fed move, like their asinine agreement with the s over cloaks

The UFP's a horde of self-righteous do-gooders spewing fortune cookie wisdom off a soapbox & live by a cliched ABC After-School Special mentality.
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Old March 31 2009, 02:41 AM   #3
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

It was probably heavily regulated after all those Eugenics Wars when the genetic supermen tried to take over the world and whatnot (remember the 1990s???)
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Old March 31 2009, 02:45 AM   #4
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Bill Clinton was a genetic superman
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Old March 31 2009, 03:33 AM   #5
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

Well, in ENT it was already outlawed on Earth, apparently shortly after the Eugenics Wars. So, it stands to reason that it was banned in the Federation from the day it was founded. However, there are some inconsistencies in TNG episodes because the strict ban was only thought up later as a part of Bashir's story line.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:45 AM   #6
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

Aquehonga wrote: View Post
Bill Clinton was a genetic superman
haha you can't see it? the writing's on the wall...
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Old March 31 2009, 04:51 AM   #7
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

davidant32 wrote: View Post
Aquehonga wrote: View Post
Bill Clinton was a genetic superman
haha you can't see it? the writing's on the wall...
Don't you mean, ''The writing's on the dress''
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Old March 31 2009, 04:54 AM   #8
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well, something's on the dress, to be sure

apologies for steering this thread off track
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Old March 31 2009, 02:23 PM   #9
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The ban on genetic engineering must be a pretty detailed document defining exactly what they mean, not just a simple statement that it isn't allowed. For instance, Spock was genetically engineered and I'm sure that could be said of any other hybrid people. That is allowed. And would they allow a bit of tweaking to eliminate naturally occurring birth defects?

I completely understand and agree with the ban on creating "genetic supermen" but realistically, where do they draw the line?
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Old March 31 2009, 03:05 PM   #10
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Kind of a dumb irrational ban if you ask me.
No it isn't. Anyone who thinks this likely fails to see the big picture.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:22 PM   #11
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So one wonders when the Federation introduced the flat prohibition of eugenics?
Dunno - sometime after ST:NEM, perhaps?

I mean, there's no evidence of a "flat ban" in those instalments of Trek that we actually saw. All we get is the supposed rule against producing supermen - a rule that first finds expression in "Dr. Bashir, I Presume", a case where a superman of sorts has indeed been produced.

Now, one would think that what was done at the Darwin Genetic Research Station in "Unnatural Selection" would be against the ban, too, since the results were supermen. But that was in controlled laboratory conditions. We never hear there would be a ban on genetic research. All we hear is that the UFP doesn't allow for unregulated application of that research on the average Joe or Jane.

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Old March 31 2009, 03:34 PM   #12
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Re: When did the Federation outlaw genetic engineering

The ban on genetic engineering must be a pretty detailed document defining exactly what they mean, not just a simple statement that it isn't allowed. For instance, Spock was genetically engineered and I'm sure that could be said of any other hybrid people. That is allowed. And would they allow a bit of tweaking to eliminate naturally occurring birth defects?

I completely understand and agree with the ban on creating "genetic supermen" but realistically, where do they draw the line?
/\ I agree with this as I just reading up on Bashir entry on Memory Alpha where it says that when he was young he had problems with keeping up with children his own and was mentally slow at learning, just like a lot of people are today. You'd think that by the 24th century there'd be a legal medical procedure that would cure any mental deficiences that are found in Human children that wouldn't come under the Genetic Engineering law as it's basically fixing a flaw in someones genes not improving them.
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Old March 31 2009, 04:17 PM   #13
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There seems to be some contradictory evidence that eugenics is illegal in the Federation. Unnatural selection clearly shows federation citizens conducting eugenics. In "Masterpiece Society" Picard was more concerned about undermining the integrity of the colony than the fact that we was introducing genetic supermen into Federation society.

So one wonders when the Federation introduced the flat prohibition of eugenics?
"Dr. Bashir, I Presume?" firmly establishes that the ban existed at least as far back as Julian Bashir's childhood in the 2340s, and ENT's Augments arc seems to imply that the Federation essentially inherited United Earth's ban on genetic engineering. It's a ret-con, pure and simple. The novel The Buried Age by Christopher L. Bennett reconciles the issue in passing by mentioning that the colony in "The Masterpiece Society" had been given special dispensation by the Federation government to engage in genetic engineering.
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Old April 1 2009, 12:03 AM   #14
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So one wonders when the Federation introduced the flat prohibition of eugenics?
Dunno - sometime after ST:NEM, perhaps?

I mean, there's no evidence of a "flat ban" in those instalments of Trek that we actually saw. All we get is the supposed rule against producing supermen - a rule that first finds expression in "Dr. Bashir, I Presume", a case where a superman of sorts has indeed been produced.

Now, one would think that what was done at the Darwin Genetic Research Station in "Unnatural Selection" would be against the ban, too, since the results were supermen. But that was in controlled laboratory conditions. We never hear there would be a ban on genetic research. All we hear is that the UFP doesn't allow for unregulated application of that research on the average Joe or Jane.

Timo Saloniemi
Actually, the situation in Unnatural Selection was even worse since it produced augments who's very existance, no matter how benign, proved lethal to normal humans.
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Old April 1 2009, 12:10 AM   #15
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^REALLY? man it's been a LOOONGGG time sence I saw that episode! I barely remember anything about it!
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