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Old March 29 2009, 06:00 AM   #16
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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It was a joke for the DS9 episode Trials And Tribble-ations. And nothing more.
It wasn't presented in the episode as a joke in the Universe itself. Rather, it was presented as a real agency that actually exists in the Trek Universe.
Well duh, really? I know that much.
I clarified the point because the OP might not have understood that based on how it was stated in your original post in reply to his question.

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Why can't we include non-canonical information?
You were stating non-canonical information in a matter of factly way as if it is canon, which is not accurate. Any poster here could make up their own explanation for DTI or anything else, and it would be equally valid to what any non-canonical information claims about DTI.
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Old March 29 2009, 06:13 AM   #17
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Why can't we include non-canonical information?
You were stating non-canonical information in a matter of factly way as if it is canon, which is not accurate.
Um, I labeled my sources for DTI info very clearly. No one looking at it would think, "Oh, he's citing something from a Strange New Worlds story as though it was from the episode."

Any poster here could make up their own explanation for DTI or anything else, and it would be equally valid to what any non-canonical information claims about DTI.
No, because none of the info made up by those posters would have been approved by CBS/Paramount, which everything that appears in a Trek novel must be.

While it's true that non-canonical info can be contradicted by later canonical sources, that doesn't mean anything. Some non-canonical info from the novels, such as Sulu's first name, have been added to the canon, for instance, and often canonical info can be contradicted by later canonical sources, too. The only difference between a canonical and non-canonical source is that the non-canonical source must be consistent with all extant canonical sources, while new canonical sources can contradict both non-canonical sources and previous canonical sources with impunity.
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Old March 29 2009, 06:16 AM   #18
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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^^^Indeed.

If DTI has arrest powers,it would have an almost 'precrime' M.O: arresting or detaining individuals who technically are not guilty of a crime in the case of future timeline violations.

And how can they determine a timeline violation has occurred?
It wasn't DTI but it did seem that by the 29th century Starfleet could arrest/detain its personnel before they committed a crime. Been an age since I've seen the episode but that was the case with Braxton if I'm recalling the episode correctly. He was arrested before he would have commited the crimes of using time travel to blow up Voyager...though given some of the fan base around here they probably would have given him a medal and promoted him to Chief Timey-wimey guy.

Got to wonder about those two DTI guys in TaT given they failed to notice the fact that DS9 was crawling with a previously extinct species.
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Old March 29 2009, 06:28 AM   #19
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Got to wonder about those two DTI guys in TaT given they failed to notice the fact that DS9 was crawling with a previously extinct species.
Did they actually establish the Tribbles were extinct?
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Old March 29 2009, 06:41 AM   #20
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Got to wonder about those two DTI guys in TaT given they failed to notice the fact that DS9 was crawling with a previously extinct species.
Did they actually establish the Tribbles were extinct?
Worf made it clear that the tribbles were extinct.
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Old March 29 2009, 06:59 AM   #21
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Are you kidding me? Of course there would be an agency to try to monitor and control instances of time travel. That sort of technology would be incredibly dangerous.
Which is why I think there wouldn't be any agency. The technology is so dangerous, that I think, if it would really work, there would be some maniacs travelling back in time and changing history to their liking. Of course they'd get rid of any such agency first.
I agree with NCC-1701.

Its one thing to investigate the technology and arrest those who are not permitted to conduct that research like stem-cell/cloning research today. You could also arrest due to manipulating a single particle timeline change like in Voyager's "Year of Hell" episodes.

Its another thing to try arresting after the technology has been invented like NCC-1701 said about the offender "they'd get rid of any such agency first."

Its too delicate of a subject that we may have already had before, that's before this thread's history was changed in the timeline. Its too elaborate and complex to canonize as an official starfleet department. Besides, who is starfleet to tell someone what to do with their own history if it doesn't have a ripple effect?

Better off left alone or in non-canonized literature. IMHO.
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Old March 29 2009, 06:59 AM   #22
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Got to wonder about those two DTI guys in TaT given they failed to notice the fact that DS9 was crawling with a previously extinct species.
Did they actually establish the Tribbles were extinct?
Worf made it clear that the tribbles were extinct.
Until they 'fixed' that.
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Old March 29 2009, 01:48 PM   #23
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

What if someone went in the past and accidently wiped the existence of the Department of Temporal Investigations?
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Old March 29 2009, 02:12 PM   #24
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Why can't we include non-canonical information?
You were stating non-canonical information in a matter of factly way as if it is canon, which is not accurate.
Um, I labeled my sources for DTI info very clearly. No one looking at it would think, "Oh, he's citing something from a Strange New Worlds story as though it was from the episode."

Any poster here could make up their own explanation for DTI or anything else, and it would be equally valid to what any non-canonical information claims about DTI.
No, because none of the info made up by those posters would have been approved by CBS/Paramount, which everything that appears in a Trek novel must be.

While it's true that non-canonical info can be contradicted by later canonical sources, that doesn't mean anything. Some non-canonical info from the novels, such as Sulu's first name, have been added to the canon, for instance, and often canonical info can be contradicted by later canonical sources, too. The only difference between a canonical and non-canonical source is that the non-canonical source must be consistent with all extant canonical sources, while new canonical sources can contradict both non-canonical sources and previous canonical sources with impunity.
SNW had some OK stories but even within the book universe those stories mean nothing. You might as well bring up fan fiction.
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Old March 29 2009, 02:58 PM   #25
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

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Got to wonder about those two DTI guys in TaT given they failed to notice the fact that DS9 was crawling with a previously extinct species.
Did they actually establish the Tribbles were extinct?
Worf made it clear that the tribbles were extinct.
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Old March 29 2009, 08:34 PM   #26
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Re: The Department of Temporal Investigations.

They already have the ability to protect their files from changes in the timeline. It wouldn't surprise me if they protected a whole military contingent from temporal changes. They might not yet have the ability to produce such technology, but we know the area around the Guardian of Forever is secure from such changes. [We've also seen several instances of starships being accidentally protected from temporal alterations.]
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