A Singular Destiny review thread (possible spoilers)

[Rosalind]

Judge King wrote:

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By the way, in regards to the Venture being refitted, would this be a good representation of what the refitted Venture looks like? Credit goes to Bridge Commander modder JamesTiberiusKirk and DJ Curtis. (JTK for the refit and DJ Curtis for the source model).

http://sgvst.wiki-site.com/images/4/43/AAVenture2.jpg
http://sgvst.wiki-site.com/images/6/65/AAVenture3.jpg
http://sgvst.wiki-site.com/images/8/8b/AAVenture4.jpg

Judge King, hotlink is not allowed on this board, please don't do it again.

[Judge King]

Rosalind wrote:

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Judge King, hotlink is not allowed on this board, please don't do it again.

I'm sincerely sorry.

[Sci]

ProtoAvatar wrote:

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<SNIP>

Are you seriously trying to revive that little pissing contest a month after it ended?

[ProtoAvatar]

Sci wrote:

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Are you seriously trying to revive that little pissing contest a month after it ended?

Your post deserved a response - and I read it only yesterday.

But, if you agree, I am willing to bury the hatchet.

[Vastator]

I must say I am quite excited about the Typhon Pact stuff and though I hope they don't end up in a full blown war, I would be happy to see a cold war and tensions in the region as both sides try to get what they want. Plus, I really hope we get to see more of the Kinshaya and the Breen as it sounds like a perfect opportunity to peek into these new and never before seen alien races

Also, don't want to resurrect the argument here but Captain's Blood had an interesting point saying that the Romulans did not expect Shinzon to actually destroy Earth but rather to end the Cheron Accords and to begin the militarization of the Neutral Zone. Was an interesting thought on the subject as I personally thought they wanted Shinzon to destroy Earth.

[Paris]

Vastator wrote:

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I must say I am quite excited about the Typhon Pact stuff and though I hope they don't end up in a full blown war, I would be happy to see a cold war and tensions in the region as both sides try to get what they want. Plus, I really hope we get to see more of the Kinshaya and the Breen as it sounds like a perfect opportunity to peek into these new and never before seen alien races

Also, don't want to resurrect the argument here but Captain's Blood had an interesting point saying that the Romulans did not expect Shinzon to actually destroy Earth but rather to end the Cheron Accords and to begin the militarization of the Neutral Zone. Was an interesting thought on the subject as I personally thought they wanted Shinzon to destroy Earth.

Outright destruction is not really the Romulan way; they are more calculating. Destruction on that level isn't even a Klingon way of thinking. The Romulans didn't need the whole AQ getting pissed at them.

I wonder what state the Cheron Accords, and the Neutral Zone for that matter, will be in with all of the new political bodies popping up ? Could be very interesting...

[Christopher]

Vastator wrote:

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Also, don't want to resurrect the argument here but Captain's Blood had an interesting point saying that the Romulans did not expect Shinzon to actually destroy Earth but rather to end the Cheron Accords and to begin the militarization of the Neutral Zone. Was an interesting thought on the subject as I personally thought they wanted Shinzon to destroy Earth.

It was when they realized that Shinzon planned to destroy Earth that they turned against him. They wanted to increase the Romulan Empire's military strength and prominence, and no doubt advance their own careers, but genocide on that level, and based on nothing more than one man's crazed vendetta, was not something they wanted.

[The Borgified Corpse]

Paris wrote:

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I wonder what state the Cheron Accords, and the Neutral Zone for that matter, will be in with all of the new political bodies popping up ? Could be very interesting...

What's the difference between the Cheron Accords & the Treaty of Algeron?

Frankly, I'd expect the Federation's diplomats to either get some pretty damn big concessions from the Romulan Star Empire or else, finally, after 200 years, say, "Fuck it! We're cloaking our ships now."

[Paris]

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

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What's the difference between the Cheron Accords & the Treaty of Algeron?

I have no idea what the difference is. If the RSE are aligned with the Typhon Pact, and we know that the Pact's agenda seems to be in contrast with the Federation/Klingon Alliance and their new allies that have joined the Khitomer Accords (the IRS included), then the treaties shold be in question.

I agree. The FED's should definitely say

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

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"Fuck it! We're cloaking our ships now."

[shanejayell]

I just don't see the federation adopting cloaking technology in any large way... they're about "Boldly going" not skulking around.

[Christopher]

^The simple fact is, cloaks wouldn't work on most Starfleet ships. The more power a ship puts out, the more powerful the cloak needs to be to conceal it, so there's a point of diminishing returns. Cloaks are only practical on ships that keep their power use to a strict minimum: stripped-down, no-frills warships. No holodecks, no science labs, no arboretums, not a single luxury. So a ship like the Enterprise or the Titan couldn't practically use a cloak anyway. If you ask me, that's the real reason the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking tech.

What I've always had trouble believing is that the Klingons would use cloaks. I mean, if Starfleet wouldn't "skulk around," why would the Klingons? Wouldn't they consider it dishonorable to sneak around and hide? Sure, you can somewhat rationalize it on the grounds that warriors value stealth, and that you have to decloak to fire so you're still facing your enemy openly. But the whole idea of Klingons using cloaks is basically an unfortunate artifact of Harve Bennett originally writing ST III with Romulan villains and then failing to change the technology when he changed the species.

[shanejayell]

Christopher wrote:

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Cloaks are only practical on ships that keep their power use to a strict minimum: stripped-down, no-frills warships. No holodecks, no science labs, no arboretums, not a single luxury. So a ship like the Enterprise or the Titan couldn't practically use a cloak anyway. If you ask me, that's the real reason the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking tech.

Which is why the only federation ship that has it is a Defiant class. Makes sense.

(I'm ignoring the novel Crossover, which had Scotty bootstrap a cloaking device onto a Constitution class ship)

I always figured Klingons got the cloak as part of their alliance with the Romulans, and couldn't honorably refuse the technology without offending their ally.

[Steve Mollmann]

It was the cloak from "Enterprise Incident", though, and we know from that very episode that that model of cloak could conceal a Constitution-class starship.

[ProtoAvatar]

Didn't Enterprise use a cloack in "Resistance" - the TNG Relaunch novel? Powering down holodecks, science labs, etc is relatively easy - just turn off the switch.

And the klingons - they sure like to talk about honor.
Their deeds speak differently. Either that, or the only tenet of their honor code is to be courageous in battle.

[Vastator]

Christopher wrote:

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What I've always had trouble believing is that the Klingons would use cloaks. I mean, if Starfleet wouldn't "skulk around," why would the Klingons? Wouldn't they consider it dishonorable to sneak around and hide? Sure, you can somewhat rationalize it on the grounds that warriors value stealth, and that you have to decloak to fire so you're still facing your enemy openly. But the whole idea of Klingons using cloaks is basically an unfortunate artifact of Harve Bennett originally writing ST III with Romulan villains and then failing to change the technology when he changed the species.

Really though its not like all Klingons are honourable. I mean consider Gowron or Duras or Toral and quite a few others. Seems to be that some Klingons are more concerned with just winning and fighting then worry about things like honour.

Plus I like to go with what Worf said in regards to Klingons cloaked and lying around in ambush in battlefields:
"In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory."