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Old March 14 2009, 02:59 AM   #61
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Re: VRML TOS Enterprise

Here's some pics to describe the point: one from each source - Franz Joseph, the film miniature and my model.

You can see just how high up the side the impulse cowl starts:


Here's coroboration with the filming miniature:


And my model - which doesn't start even as high as the other two!
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Old March 14 2009, 03:07 AM   #62
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I have another inconsistency - the height of the base of the impulse engine cowl (at the aft end of the primary hull) is higher than the impulse engine on the film set:



The grey band in the lowest part of the window onto the impulse engine reveals that for the cowl outside the ship, the arrangement inside the ship doesn't correlate.
This one isn't as bad as it first seems, FJ was aware of it, and his solution was to raise the floor of the engineering room slightly. If you look at his cutaway closely you can see where the main floor is slightly higher than the entry foyer, requireing a 'step' where they meet. But this really wasn't necessary, as the size and depth of FJ's impulse cowling is slightly smaller than it is on the filming model, which creates this problem, so this is a case where the original "correct" external spec's work better with his internal arrangement than his own (external) version! Go figure?
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Old March 14 2009, 03:14 AM   #63
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BrookeStephen wrote: View Post
Here's some pics to describe the point: one from each source - Franz Joseph, the film miniature and my model.

You can see just how high up the side the impulse cowl starts:


Here's coroboration with the filming miniature:


And my model - which doesn't start even as high as the other two!
GaaH! you posted while I was posting! Still I think the original works better, Since the whole cowling or housing is deeper? Compare with the Casimiro and/or Sinclair drawings over at cygnus-x1. And if all else fails, tweak the hell out of it!
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Old March 14 2009, 03:47 AM   #64
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- if all else fails, tweak the hell out of it!
Aye sir - tweaking!
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Old March 24 2009, 03:34 AM   #65
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How's the tweaking coming along? What about the insides of the nacelles, are you gonna use Mandel's blueprints to make a "complete" virtual "E"? Inquireing minds want to Know.
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Old March 24 2009, 03:00 PM   #66
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How's the tweaking coming along? What about the insides of the nacelles, are you gonna use Mandel's blueprints to make a "complete" virtual "E"? Inquireing minds want to Know.
OK...
I have NO idea what you're talkin about!
And I love Star Trek too... go figure!
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Old March 24 2009, 03:01 PM   #67
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BTW - how do I fix the links on this page that I just broke?
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Old March 24 2009, 06:51 PM   #68
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How's the tweaking coming along? What about the insides of the nacelles, are you gonna use Mandel's blueprints to make a "complete" virtual "E"? Inquireing minds want to Know.
OK...
I have NO idea what you're talkin about!
And I love Star Trek too... go figure!
Geoffrey Mandell did a sheet of blueprints for the interior of the nacelles, partly based on scenes from the animated series, but worked out somewhat more logicly. These were later sometimes added to the FJ plans to 'complete' them, as was the idea, I guess? You can find them Cygnus-x1.net, (with FJ's plans). ...as for fixing your links, can't help you there. I'm stiil figuring out haw to use my computer, and Im about 10 to 15 years behind everybody else.
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Old March 25 2009, 03:33 AM   #69
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It should be noted that Geoffrey Mandel's nacelle blueprint is in no official way connected with FJ's blueprints, although it certainly looks like a suitable complement to FJ's drawings.
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Old March 29 2009, 11:45 PM   #70
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- Geoffrey Mandell
OK - gotcha - found the Mandel Contribution hitch-hiking along with the FJ blueprints I got from Cygnus! I hadn't really taken a hard look at his plans, but now that I have I must admit I'm alittle confused... it's not exactly crew cabins up there in the nacelle, so it's difficult for me to figure out in 3d just what Mr Mandel is trying to represent in 2d... if ya know what I mean... I'm looking for a frame of reference...

Anyways... thought I'd show you my initial work on the "Cutaway VRML TOS Enterprise"



This is just the primary hull, and there's no walls yet, but you can see the turbolift tube - you don't usually get to see cutaway models from this angle - it's usually only orthographic - thought you guys might get a kick out of it!

So who wants to build their own models?
Come on... don't be shy... who wants to be my apprentice?
Moo-ha-ha-ha! [evil sith laugh alert!]
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Old March 30 2009, 03:30 AM   #71
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That's a fun model, man. Have you seen some of the 3D work of the Spacestation K7 people?
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Old March 31 2009, 06:30 PM   #72
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Here's another pic of my progress in building a "Cutaway" TOS Enterprise in VRML.



You can see the engine room - I'm working on deck 7.
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Old April 1 2009, 08:05 PM   #73
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Here's another pic of my progress in building a "Cutaway" TOS Enterprise in VRML.

Deck 7 is complete
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Old April 27 2009, 10:38 PM   #74
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Well, here's some more pics of my VRML TOS Enterprise, deck by deck...













Would you like to see more? Just let me know!!
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Old April 28 2009, 12:10 AM   #75
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Definately let's see more! Long time no post, the reports of you're death were greatly exagerated!
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