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Old March 23 2009, 07:22 PM   #106
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I absolutely cannot STAND the TWoK-TUC uniforms. YUCH!
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Old March 23 2009, 07:45 PM   #107
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I absolutely cannot STAND the TWoK-TUC uniforms. YUCH!
On this we can agree
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Old March 23 2009, 08:56 PM   #108
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I definitely like uniforms with a little more pop. But I think, respectfully, that the TWOK--on uniforms look better just in red.
Oh, I disagree. Going by that photoshopped image above, the TWOK uniform jackets look much better in blue. I'd like to see an image where all the jackets are a rich navy blue, not just Spock's. (It doesn't make sense to have color-coding on the outer jackets when you've already got it on the undershirts.)
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Old March 23 2009, 10:46 PM   #109
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I absolutely cannot STAND the TWoK-TUC uniforms. YUCH!
To each his own -- I think they look just damn classy, all in all.

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Old March 23 2009, 10:51 PM   #110
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I absolutely cannot STAND the TWoK-TUC uniforms. YUCH!
On this we can agree
I have never thought of them as my favorites, though I do like them, and I appreciate how well-thought out the whole scheme was - pins and so forth.

My main beef was that the uniforms felt so formal. I would have been happier if for this uniform set this was the Class A and there was a somewhat simpler Class B that everyone wore most of the time, combined with a variant of the cadet jumpsuits as a Class C.

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I definitely like uniforms with a little more pop. But I think, respectfully, that the TWOK--on uniforms look better just in red.
Oh, I disagree. Going by that photoshopped image above, the TWoK uniform jackets look much better in blue. I'd like to see an image where all the jackets are a rich navy blue, not just Spock's. (It doesn't make sense to have color-coding on the outer jackets when you've already got it on the undershirts.)
Blue would have certainly been less aggressive. I don't see why they couldn't have kept the TOS scheme in TMP anyway and carried it on to TWoK.
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Old March 24 2009, 05:22 AM   #111
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I definitely like uniforms with a little more pop. But I think, respectfully, that the TWOK--on uniforms look better just in red.
Oh, I disagree. Going by that photoshopped image above, the TWOK uniform jackets look much better in blue. I'd like to see an image where all the jackets are a rich navy blue, not just Spock's. (It doesn't make sense to have color-coding on the outer jackets when you've already got it on the undershirts.)
Spock in the blue version looks like he's wearing the official Hanukkah uniform.
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^A navy blue would be better for those uniforms. As much as I like the TWOK uniforms the way they are — and fully acknowledging their impracticality — I can't help but imagine the cast in that group shot Warped9 posted breaking into "The Lumberjack Song."
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Old March 24 2009, 02:57 PM   #113
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Spock in the blue version looks like he's wearing the official Hanukkah uniform.
Is that a problem? The Vulcan salute is actually based on a Jewish blessing.
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Old March 24 2009, 03:55 PM   #114
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I definitely like uniforms with a little more pop. But I think, respectfully, that the TWOK--on uniforms look better just in red.
Oh, I disagree. Going by that photoshopped image above, the TWOK uniform jackets look much better in blue. I'd like to see an image where all the jackets are a rich navy blue, not just Spock's. (It doesn't make sense to have color-coding on the outer jackets when you've already got it on the undershirts.)
I tend to agree that the color-coding on the undershirts makes more sense, and is cheaper, too! -- RR
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Old March 24 2009, 06:02 PM   #115
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The undershirt coding also has the advantage of being more specific and multi-colored while being very understated and avoiding making them look like a color guard.

How about a beige/off-white version of the monster maroon as a Class A?
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Old March 24 2009, 11:28 PM   #116
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Spock in the blue version looks like he's wearing the official Hanukkah uniform.
Is that a problem? The Vulcan salute is actually based on a Jewish blessing.
Not at all! Personally, I feel a bit of pride knowing that Vulcan was colonized by one of the lost tribes of Israel.
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Old March 25 2009, 12:10 AM   #117
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I absolutely cannot STAND the TWoK-TUC uniforms. YUCH!
On this we can agree
I have never thought of them as my favorites, though I do like them, and I appreciate how well-thought out the whole scheme was - pins and so forth.

My main beef was that the uniforms felt so formal. I would have been happier if for this uniform set this was the Class A and there was a somewhat simpler Class B that everyone wore most of the time, combined with a variant of the cadet jumpsuits as a Class C.
Actually, having sat in on a Uniform Board (sounds wacky, but yes, at least in my service we have them... ), there is a school of thought towards trying to make uniforms "more" formal than regular outfits.

It ties in with the whole "military is a way of life" notion. (Yes, I know, Starfleet isn't military! But the same argument applies.) Call it "way of life" or maybe "higher standard", but there's an underlying theme of making uniforms relatively uncomfortable... to remind you to stand tall and look good.

Hopefully that makes sense -- hard to explain.

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Old March 25 2009, 12:18 AM   #118
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Excellent damage control on your part, addressing how screwed up that set was in TMP. Mike Minor always mentioned how Kirk's quarters were really ruined by the TMP art dept, and I guess that is the aluminum standard for messing up trek design (up until May 09.)
Just a minor point - why does Kirk have quarters with what I can only guess are his pictures on a refitted Enterprise? Or are we suppose to assume those are generic pictures and objects in the Captain's quarters?
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Old March 25 2009, 01:47 AM   #119
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Actually, having sat in on a Uniform Board (sounds wacky, but yes, at least in my service we have them... ), there is a school of thought towards trying to make uniforms "more" formal than regular outfits.

It ties in with the whole "military is a way of life" notion. (Yes, I know, Starfleet isn't military! But the same argument applies.) Call it "way of life" or maybe "higher standard", but there's an underlying theme of making uniforms relatively uncomfortable... to remind you to stand tall and look good.

Hopefully that makes sense -- hard to explain.

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Your real world military experience is always useful and appreciated, CM. I actually quite understand what you're saying.

I can certainly see the notion of Starfleet uniforms not being quite pajamas comfortable - it just seems like there should definitely be 'degrees' of uniform discomfort. The maroon jacket to me should be the dress uniform and most uncomfortable. Something a little more of a compromise towards comfort, to me, would have made more sense for daily wear, in reflection of them being a 'not quite' military.

Hopefully that makes sense.
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Old March 25 2009, 02:11 AM   #120
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^ Yeap, no worries there.

A lot of those types of choices (or maybe compromises? ) would fall prey to the characters/personalities on the board at that particular time.

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