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Old March 18 2009, 10:24 PM   #31
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TMP uniforms are the most realistic. Visually a bit boring. Wrath of Khan uniforms were so thick and heavy. They must have been torture for the actors to wear.
They still are. The people who make uniforms for costuming warn about this. They are made of wool, lined, double breasted, and over another layer. Most unpleasant in hot weather.

Probably no fun under camera lights either. Probably had extra people on the set just to mot the sweat off the actors before each take.
I read somewhere that meyer was constantly telling the set grips or whoever to turn the AC down when filming the enterprise bridge scenes post kahn attack until someone pointed out that one of the extras was close to passing out between the heat and smoke.
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Old March 18 2009, 10:25 PM   #32
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Bright color coding probably makes good sense in an environment like the deck of an aircraft carrier, where it can be helpful to know who's who at a distance. It doesn't seem quite as practical in the corridors of a starship.
Good thing Starfleet crews don't spend their entire careers in the corridors of starships. That would be boring.
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Old March 18 2009, 10:46 PM   #33
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Just while we are trashing the TWOK uniforms,can we make an exception for those great field-jackets(another idea totally ignored by small screen Trek).
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Old March 18 2009, 10:59 PM   #34
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I like the Admiral Uniform that Kirk wears when he's introduced. That was classy. However, the color choice for the uniforms leave much to be desired. I mean, brown, white and beige? I'm not color blind!
It was 1979. What do you expect?
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Old March 18 2009, 11:16 PM   #35
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Just while we are trashing the TWOK uniforms,can we make an exception for those great field-jackets(another idea totally ignored by small screen Trek).
Actually they did have field jackets in "The Cage," very similar to the field jackets in TMP. The outer garments in TWOK were more like cold-weather parkas, even heavier than the dress uniforms. I can't imagine how hot the actors must've been shooting those scenes. And I don't get why those parkas were worn on every away mission rather than just ones to ice planets or whatever.
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Old March 18 2009, 11:34 PM   #36
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I always felt the TMP uniforms were the most "realistic" for a 23rd-Century space navy. They were also the uniforms that featured the most variants (Kirk's uniform was supposedly formal officer's attire and wasn't reserved just for admirals), and it also featured two types of rank insignia (sleeve stripes and shoulder tabs) for the different uniforms.

IIRC, bluish-gray was for command-level officers...tan was for bridge officers...and brown and white represented two different specialist divisions (I think). There might have been a fifth color representing Starfleet HQ personnel...
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Old March 18 2009, 11:43 PM   #37
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I don't get why those parkas were worn on every away mission rather than just ones to ice planets or whatever.
What part of Khan's "It is very cold in space" don't you get? He meant it! Just kidding. (And good "Cage" mention.)

You do touch on a good point... the uniforms in TMP seem to be more "tropical," with very thin (even "package-revealing") fabrics, while the TWOK ones all seem very cold-weather-oriented. Was this a deliberate reflection of the different themes of the two movies ("exploration of the unknown/the meaning of life/creation of new lifeform" vs. "revenge/wrath/death") or just a sign of the times (late 70s vs. early 80s)? (I'd originally thought another possibility was "one costume designer vs. another," but it was Bob Fletcher in both cases.)
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Old March 19 2009, 02:35 AM   #38
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I always felt the TMP uniforms were the most "realistic" for a 23rd-Century space navy. They were also the uniforms that featured the most variants (Kirk's uniform was supposedly formal officer's attire and wasn't reserved just for admirals), and it also featured two types of rank insignia (sleeve stripes and shoulder tabs) for the different uniforms.

IIRC, bluish-gray was for command-level officers...tan was for bridge officers...and brown and white represented two different specialist divisions (I think). There might have been a fifth color representing Starfleet HQ personnel...

C.E. that avatar cracks me up!! Is that you cat?

Anyway...no takers on the naked Starfleet gals wearing nothin but the little black box and Starfleet shield?

Who could turn their noses up at that?
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Old March 19 2009, 02:47 AM   #39
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(I'd originally thought another possibility was "one costume designer vs. another," but it was Bob Fletcher in both cases.)
More likely "one director and producer vs. another." Roddenberry obviously had his ideas about what the future should look like, and Robert Wise seemed to be touching on a similar aesthetic to his earlier film The Andromeda Strain. With TWOK, I don't know that Harve Bennett had an opinion one way or the other about the uniforms, but Nick Meyer was obviously in love with that whole Prisoner of Zenda look.
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Old March 19 2009, 02:48 AM   #40
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Well as for one I can tell you all that the TMP uniforms are a very well tailored costume! I own a actual screen used costume and for some reason folks do not like them. I have seen many costumes from trek over the years and most are cheaply made. The fabrics and tailoring in TMP uniforms are first class! As for them looking like PJs, well nothing looks more like a PJ than the first and second seasons of TNG! I love TMP and I like the uniforms in the film but I have to say it took a while back in 79 for them to grow on me!
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Old March 19 2009, 02:53 AM   #41
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The TMP uniforms definitly loose something when they were on film. I remember thinking that they sucked for years, then I saw a few at some traveling trek exhibit at a museum and seeing them and thinking... "man, if they looked like that on the tape, they would have been much better."
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Old March 19 2009, 03:22 AM   #42
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The TMP uniforms definitly loose something when they were on film. I remember thinking that they sucked for years, then I saw a few at some traveling trek exhibit at a museum and seeing them and thinking... "man, if they looked like that on the tape, they would have been much better."
As I said above, the transfer process to videotape badly washed out the colors, so if you saw it on tape, then you weren't seeing the uniforms as they looked on film.
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Old March 19 2009, 03:26 AM   #43
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The TMP uniforms definitly loose something when they were on film. I remember thinking that they sucked for years, then I saw a few at some traveling trek exhibit at a museum and seeing them and thinking... "man, if they looked like that on the tape, they would have been much better."
As I said above, the transfer process to videotape badly washed out the colors, so if you saw it on tape, then you weren't seeing the uniforms as they looked on film.
It wasn't just the colors. The little details were lost, and are still not as present on the DVD.

Those uniforms are best viewed in person.
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Old March 19 2009, 03:49 AM   #44
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^ Totally agree!
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Old March 19 2009, 04:04 AM   #45
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However one might want to justify or rationalize the TMP uniforms, I do not feel that they succeeded as great wardrobe for Trek. The latter film uniforms did,and are now as iconic as the TOS uniforms. It's important for filmmakers to know what works cinematically, and the brick red jackets did.

I laugh at anyone who tries to pass off the pale color pallette of TMP as poor video transfer, they were pale pastel colors on film too, I've seen MANY film prints, I WORKED with the film prints. They were supposed to be pale, softer and more subtle than the vibrant primary TOS uniforms, it just so happend that choice was a poor one, IMO. And yes, they do look like pajamas. The truth hurts.
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