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Old March 10 2009, 02:54 AM   #31
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Well I think that people should stick with Rick Sternbach version. He was the one who worked on the design of the ship..I think he knows best!
Ed Whitefield came up with a much better design, as did Andy Probert in his original study model. I'd take their word over Sternbach's any day.
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Old March 10 2009, 04:32 AM   #32
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My favorite starship of all time.
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Old March 10 2009, 08:59 PM   #33
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Well I think that people should stick with Rick Sternbach version. He was the one who worked on the design of the ship..I think he knows best!
Ed Whitefield came up with a much better design, as did Andy Probert in his original study model. I'd take their word over Sternbach's any day.
Dude First...We are talking about the versions of the Enterprise-C seen in the show! Rick S. was the one who design that version, using Andy Probert & Ed Whitefield as a starting point. So for that Rick Sternbach KNOWS best!

Next, I never said I did not like the other versions of the Enterprise-C, in fact i am making an MSD of Andy Probert versions of the Enterprise-C. I hope to get it done, when he updates his 3d model.

Oh and one last thing! The reason for the new model was...TIME & MONEY!
It would have taken too much time and money to make Porbert's version.
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Old March 11 2009, 01:00 AM   #34
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^I believe the gent's name is Whitefire.

Sternbach's simplified Ambassador may have been partially the product of budget and time constraints, but I think it was very successful in creating an earlier 24th-century aesthetic and was ultimately no disappointment to the name Enterprise. To me, it seems common sense that his commentary on the only versions of the ship ever seen on screen would be of value.
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Old March 11 2009, 03:10 AM   #35
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JoeRalat wrote: View Post
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Well I think that people should stick with Rick Sternbach version. He was the one who worked on the design of the ship..I think he knows best!
Ed Whitefield came up with a much better design, as did Andy Probert in his original study model. I'd take their word over Sternbach's any day.
Dude First...We are talking about the versions of the Enterprise-C seen in the show! Rick S. was the one who design that version, using Andy Probert & Ed Whitefield as a starting point. So for that Rick Sternbach KNOWS best!
Sternbach knows what his intent was. Those intents are irrelevant if they didn't make it into the actual show, and they didn't. If we're extrapolating from backstage and unpublished material, then the intent of previous designs could easily be taken into account without taking the last-minute "Screw it, let's just film it and hope nobody notices" production decisions as gospel truth.

Oh and one last thing! The reason for the new model was...TIME & MONEY!
It would have taken too much time and money to make Porbert's version.
Which doesn't change the fact that Probert's model was a much better design.
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Old March 11 2009, 05:23 AM   #36
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Sternbach's simplified Ambassador may have been partially the product of budget and time constraints, but I think it was very successful in creating an earlier 24th-century aesthetic and was ultimately no disappointment to the name Enterprise.
Agreed. While it lacks certain complex curves, it therefore has a rather utilitarian feel evocative of the TOS Enterprise that I quite enjoy. IMO, in-universe It helps if you think of the class as the pathfinder for the Galaxy.
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Old March 11 2009, 07:53 AM   #37
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And, of course, accepting Sternbach/Jein's aired E-C makes it possible for us to also believe in that other cool ship class that Probert dreamed up... Perhaps as a somewhat later vessel that represented a further step towards the Galaxy.

(As a curiosity often commented on in Ambassador-related threads, there's no canonical confirmation that the E-C or the model used for her would have represented the Ambassador class. For all we know, those ships were of the Minor Consulate Bureaucrat class, while the canonical but unseen Ambassador class heavy cruiser Horatio in "Conspiracy" actually looked like Probert's design.)

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Old March 11 2009, 10:31 AM   #38
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Very true. IIRC, didn't an older publication refer to the C as 'Alaska class' when it was just a wall sculpture? (Pretty sure that wasn't official or anything.)
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Old March 11 2009, 11:47 AM   #39
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Quite so - although of course that wall relief (coarsely) represented Probert's ship, not Sternbach's.

And since the relief didn't match the onscreen E-C, nor did any of the ships match the E-B (and even the aircraft carrier looked different from what we know the Enterprise CVN-65 looked like in ST4), there is little "proof" for the idea that these ships were intended to be Enterprises. For all we know, the art represented ships named Galaxy - or, say, ships with a relative of the originally intended Captain Thomas Holloway in command, and Picard never had the heart to have the work ripped off the wall and replaced with something more personal...

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Old March 11 2009, 08:36 PM   #40
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It's also supposed to have a ventral phaser array on the secondary hull, per the original drawing, but it was also left out of the design.
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Old March 13 2009, 12:48 AM   #41
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Here is an update to the Enterprise-C MSD. This version has 30 decks, let me know what you think!

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Old March 13 2009, 01:33 AM   #42
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That's really good, Joe, as usual.
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Old March 13 2009, 11:38 AM   #43
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Old March 13 2009, 03:41 PM   #44
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JoeRalat, how did you come up with 30 decks? Are you going based on the 478-ish meter length, or the 526m?
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Old March 13 2009, 04:08 PM   #45
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I particularly like that while you went for a TNG-style internal arrangement, you didn't use the gigantic D-style deuterium tank. I think the smaller ones are more fitting here.
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