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Old March 8 2009, 05:57 AM   #1
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Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Its weird. I had, still have, a TV remote control that looks exactly like a Cardassian spaceship (IMO).

I've always liked Cardassian starcraft. They have an elegant beauty, like that TV remote.

I only keep that remote around due to it's very strong resemblance to Galor Class ships (IMO).

Same shape & color. To me anyway.

The TV it was for went out in the trash over 3 years ago.

Fed ship garages/starbases I like.

Fed ships ( exceptions being Defiant, Reliant, Bozeman, Promethius & V'GER ) I've always found ugly-ish, frustrating. IE: NX-01, 1701, 1701-A, B, C, D, the NX/NCC-2000 entc ent al.

space stations are Mary Jane Plainfaces.

ships belong in Playboy.
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Old March 8 2009, 08:21 AM   #2
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Cardassian ships look like fish. Seriously.

But I do like their design.

I don't like how they got one ship class (not counting Keldon, which apparently was just a Galor mounted with a big-ass cloaking device, or the Hideki) for ten years' worth of appearances.
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Old March 8 2009, 08:40 AM   #3
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Yeah, the Galor-Class is pimp. The space ankh with little pyramids for phasers and a stinger on its tail. Great stuff.
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Old March 8 2009, 12:50 PM   #4
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Akira class were beauts.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Imag...erpetual_1.jpg

They could kick ass too.
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Old March 8 2009, 03:42 PM   #5
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Myasishchev wrote: View Post
I don't like how they got one ship class (not counting Keldon, which apparently was just a Galor mounted with a big-ass cloaking device, or the Hideki) for ten years' worth of appearances.
I actually think that fits their backstory, though. They don't have a lot of resources, so it makes sense for them to stick to a few tried-and-true designs rather than do a whole lot of retooling for a crazy variety of ship classes.

And on the design of the Galor--I love it. It reminds me of a manta ray...very elegant and deadly.
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Old March 8 2009, 03:49 PM   #6
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Not a fan of the canon Cardassian vessels. Though I've seen some much nicer non-canon designs and fan designed Cardassian vessels.

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I don't like how they got one ship class (not counting Keldon, which apparently was just a Galor mounted with a big-ass cloaking device, or the Hideki) for ten years' worth of appearances.
We've had the Romulans and Klingons for 40 years and we have around 5 for the Romulans and maybe 8 for the Klingons. Non-Fed races don't get much starship love. I would have liked to see more variety in the space forces of these bigger powers.
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Old March 8 2009, 08:01 PM   #7
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Nerys Ghemor wrote: View Post
I actually think that fits their backstory, though. They don't have a lot of resources, so it makes sense for them to stick to a few tried-and-true designs rather than do a whole lot of retooling for a crazy variety of ship classes.
Well, I do agree with this. At the same time I would've liked the Keldons to have been more differentiated from the Galors--or at least seen again! But maybe they were failures. Their only combat excursion ended with the loss of every ship, true, but I don't think we can blame that on the design...

And on the design of the Galor--I love it. It reminds me of a manta ray...very elegant and deadly.
See! It looks like a fish!

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We've had the Romulans and Klingons for 40 years and we have around 5 for the Romulans and maybe 8 for the Klingons. Non-Fed races don't get much starship love. I would have liked to see more variety in the space forces of these bigger powers.
Agreed.
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Old March 8 2009, 08:34 PM   #8
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

I would love to see a picture of your remote control.
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Old March 8 2009, 08:50 PM   #9
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

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I actually think that fits their backstory, though. They don't have a lot of resources, so it makes sense for them to stick to a few tried-and-true designs rather than do a whole lot of retooling for a crazy variety of ship classes.
Well, I do agree with this. At the same time I would've liked the Keldons to have been more differentiated from the Galors--or at least seen again! But maybe they were failures. Their only combat excursion ended with the loss of every ship, true, but I don't think we can blame that on the design...
Yeah, the blame for that one lies with Tain's arrogance.

But the fact that the Keldon wasn't that differentiated may be further evidence of the point that I was making--that any kind of significant retooling puts a strain on Cardassian resources. I don't think it's their creativity that's the problem--their tactics and maneuvers are always top-notch...it's the physical resources to actually bring their ideas to fruition.

And did no one see ANY Keldons during any other battle? I keep thinking there were some there, for some reason...

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I would love to see a picture of your remote control.
Me too!
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Old March 8 2009, 10:45 PM   #10
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

The Cardassian Galor and Federation Galaxy are probably my two favorite Star Trek ship designs.
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Old March 8 2009, 10:57 PM   #11
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

Nerys Ghemor wrote: View Post
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I actually think that fits their backstory, though. They don't have a lot of resources, so it makes sense for them to stick to a few tried-and-true designs rather than do a whole lot of retooling for a crazy variety of ship classes.
Well, I do agree with this. At the same time I would've liked the Keldons to have been more differentiated from the Galors--or at least seen again! But maybe they were failures. Their only combat excursion ended with the loss of every ship, true, but I don't think we can blame that on the design...
Yeah, the blame for that one lies with Tain's arrogance.

But the fact that the Keldon wasn't that differentiated may be further evidence of the point that I was making--that any kind of significant retooling puts a strain on Cardassian resources. I don't think it's their creativity that's the problem--their tactics and maneuvers are always top-notch...it's the physical resources to actually bring their ideas to fruition.

And did no one see ANY Keldons during any other battle? I keep thinking there were some there, for some reason...
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The Keldon makes its first appearance in DS9: "Defiant" where its class seems to be already known. Not the appearance of a new ship type, but rather the fact that the Obsidian Order is building their own fleet of Keldon-class ships, was the surprise to both the Cardassian military and the Federation. Except for DS9: "The Die is Cast" where a fleet of about ten of these ships is destroyed (the other ships being Romulan Warbirds), the Keldon class never appears again.
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Old March 9 2009, 12:54 AM   #12
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

I see the Keldon class as a separate Cardassian Battleship built to match the Galaxy Class and the Neg'vars. The Keldon was tough enough to withstand a prolonged attack from the USS Defiant so I don't see them as failures.
Why they did not appear later on? Either they where too expensive to build or we just didn't see them in any of the on screen battles.

The problem I have with the Cardassian fleet is that in large scale battles we see dozens if not hundreds of Galors just sitting in space looking pretty waiting for the Bloody Klingons to blow them up. I almost take that as a personal insult every time I see that battle scene in SOA.


My personal favorite Cardie ships can be seen in the trek Games Amada 2 and Dominion wars, in particular the Huet(DWS) and the Kulinor(A2).

Pics below;

The Kulinor: http://gaming.trekcore.com/armada2/s...ardkulinor.jpg


And the Huet: http://gaming.trekcore.com/dominionw...ps/cclass5.jpg
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Old March 9 2009, 02:26 AM   #13
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Re: Cardassian ships: those I am attracted to. Mechanical eye-candy.

The one thing I always liked about the Cardassian ships is that their hulls are golden, not grey, green, white, or silver. I always wished the Federation's ships were golden. I remember many years ago buying a book about early fanfic and the Enterprise on the cover was all in gold, and it looked way cool. -- RR
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Old March 9 2009, 03:40 AM   #14
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I always found them interesting myself, and always wanted to see a full-on Cardassian dreadnought akin to the Kulinor and Huet linked above. Keldon made sense, but was a bit boring.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:42 AM   #15
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Good God, the Huet's a little much if those are Galors in the foreground. Thing must be ten kilometers long. And four tall.
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