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Old March 8 2009, 11:36 AM   #16
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

I saw someone state earlier that there was a Consitution Class in ENT and it looked like the TOS and not JJ's (obviously). But surely you can just throw the words "time travel" and "parrell universe" in there and it's all settled . Perhaps the Xindi (was it? I guess it was as whenever I watched ENT it was ALLLWAYS the Xindi) took it from the true timeline, then Nero came back and fucked everything up and the ships changed.

Ofcourse, you could just say wibbly wobbly... timey wimey, that works just as well.
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Old March 8 2009, 12:04 PM   #17
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

You could perhaps make an argument that the relevant events of the 23rd and 24th centuries (Enterprise-E fighting the Borg in 2063, a Constitution-class starship named "Defiant" disappearing in a trans-dimensional rift etc.) still exist as part of an "alternate future" in this new timeline.

Look at "Yesterday's Enterprise" and Sela. An alternate Tasha Yar from a timeline which doesn't exist anymore travelled into the past and thus continued to be a part of "our" timeline. So the Enterprise-E could have been in 2063 despite the fact that a Enterprise-E doesn't necessarily exist in the new timeline's 24th century. Time travel is so confusing!!!
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Old March 8 2009, 12:33 PM   #18
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

Just wait for "Faith of the Heart" to play in the background during the love scene and you have your answer.

>.>
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Old March 8 2009, 12:57 PM   #19
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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Just wait for "Faith of the Heart" to play in the background during the love scene and you have your answer.

>.>
Remind me to take some earplugs when I go see it then.
Or a vomit bag.
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Old March 8 2009, 01:42 PM   #20
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

Old Spock's sole reason for travelling back in time is to wipe "Enterprise" from existence, or die trying. It is his most important mission, and his most selfless act ever.

Spock (dying): "The franchise... Out of danger?"

Kirk: "You saved the franchise. You saved us all."

And let's not forget Captain Pike's inpirational challenge to Young Kirk:

Pike: "'Enterprise' was good for about 12 minutes, and was watched by 800 people. I dare you to do better."
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Old March 8 2009, 02:05 PM   #21
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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Probably won't be touched on in the movie, but my question is does JJ consider Enterprise as part of nuStar Trek's past?
Nero doesn't go that far back in time, so yes.

Also, I believe Archer gets a mention in the film.
On the other hand we've seen a constitution class starship on Enterprise and it didn't look like JJ's Enterprise. This could be the Archer from ENT or a reboot Archer.
The constitution class ship was from the Trek prime timeline and it was only ever seen in the mirror universe episode of Enterprise anyway. Love it or hate it Enterprise now has the proud distinction of happening in both timelines!
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Old March 8 2009, 02:13 PM   #22
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Samuel T. Cogley wrote: View Post
And let's not forget Captain Pike's inpirational challenge to Young Kirk:

Pike: "'Enterprise' was good for about 12 minutes, and was watched by 800 people. I dare you to do better."
ROFLMAO
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Old March 8 2009, 04:14 PM   #23
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Samuel T. Cogley wrote: View Post
Old Spock's sole reason for travelling back in time is to wipe "Enterprise" from existence, or die trying. It is his most important mission, and his most selfless act ever.

Spock (dying): "The franchise... Out of danger?"

Kirk: "You saved the franchise. You saved us all."

And let's not forget Captain Pike's inpirational challenge to Young Kirk:

Pike: "'Enterprise' was good for about 12 minutes, and was watched by 800 people. I dare you to do better."
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Old March 8 2009, 04:26 PM   #24
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

Corinthian7 wrote: View Post
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Nero doesn't go that far back in time, so yes.

Also, I believe Archer gets a mention in the film.
On the other hand we've seen a constitution class starship on Enterprise and it didn't look like JJ's Enterprise. This could be the Archer from ENT or a reboot Archer.
The constitution class ship was from the Trek prime timeline and it was only ever seen in the mirror universe episode of Enterprise anyway. Love it or hate it Enterprise now has the proud distinction of happening in both timelines!
But if the events of First Contact don't happen in this timeline then the events of Enterprise will be substantially different than they were depicted in the series. Or maybe not.

Time to take some aspirin now.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:29 PM   #25
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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The more interesting question: Which events of "Enterprise" did happen in this timeline? For example, the ENT episode "Regeneration" was a result of the events of "First Contact". So did the Enterprise-E and the Borg appear in 2063 in this timeline?
And then there's the entire "Temporal Cold War" which may or may not have happened
This may be *part* of the TCW. Who knows, Daniels' group may yet send operatives back to prevent Nero's birth or something.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:43 PM   #26
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Babaganoosh wrote: View Post
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The more interesting question: Which events of "Enterprise" did happen in this timeline? For example, the ENT episode "Regeneration" was a result of the events of "First Contact". So did the Enterprise-E and the Borg appear in 2063 in this timeline?
And then there's the entire "Temporal Cold War" which may or may not have happened
This may be *part* of the TCW. Who knows, Daniels' group may yet send operatives back to prevent Nero's birth or something.
I'd much rather prefer it if Daniels' group sent operatives back to prevent Daniels' birth. At least Nero is a maniacal villain, Daniels is too boring to exist.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:48 PM   #27
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But if the events of First Contact don't happen in this timeline then the events of Enterprise will be substantially different than they were depicted in the series. Or maybe not.

Time to take some aspirin now.

There wasn't a Tasha Yar fighting in a brutal war against the Klingons in "our" timeline. But nevertheless such a Tasha Yar appeared out of thin air in the 2340ies and had a child which was to become a commander in the Romulan fleet.

So, it's possible that in this "new" timeline an Enterprise-E appeared in the year 2063, despite the fact that such a ship won't exist in this timeline's future.



2366 - Lt. Tasha Yar travels back to 2344.

2344 - Tasha Yar helps to defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III, which alters the timeline in such a way that a future Federation-Klingon war is erased from history. She is then captured by the Romulans and gives birth to a child. In the meantime, Tasha Yar's younger self still grows up on Turkana IV.

2364 - Tasha Yar's younger self, who has also become a security officer on the Enterprise-D in this timeline, is killed by Armus.

2368 - The crew of the Enterprise-D encounters Sela. They have no clue where a child of Tasha Yar could possibly have come from.



2373 - Enterprise-E travels back to 2063.

2063 - Enterprise-E stops a Borg invasion of Earth.

24th century? - Nero travels back to the 23rd century.

23rd century - Nero alters the timeline in such a way that (among other things) the Enterprise-E possibly never gets built.



The question which should let you really lose sleep is the following: When the Enterprise-E travelled from 2063 back the 24th century shouldn't they now end up in the new timeline's 24th century created by Nero's temporal incursion? Or maybe not...
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Old March 8 2009, 05:22 PM   #28
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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^Wibbly wobbly... timey wimey.
Wrong forum.

Babaganoosh wrote: View Post
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The more interesting question: Which events of "Enterprise" did happen in this timeline? For example, the ENT episode "Regeneration" was a result of the events of "First Contact". So did the Enterprise-E and the Borg appear in 2063 in this timeline?
And then there's the entire "Temporal Cold War" which may or may not have happened
This may be *part* of the TCW. Who knows, Daniels' group may yet send operatives back to prevent Nero's birth or something.
It would be cool if we finally found out who Future Guy was, like if Nero said something along the lines that he tried to meddle in the 22nd century but it didn't work, so now he's trying it in the 23rd.
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Old March 8 2009, 05:28 PM   #29
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

The answer is most likely "yes".
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Old March 8 2009, 05:29 PM   #30
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

papi_pol wrote: View Post
According to Canon storylines, Archer's Enterprise did in fact exist in the Trek Main storyline....

why? Archer's Holodeck experience shouldn't be in the Enterprise-D's databanks if it was in a different timeline.....


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The question which should let you really lose sleep is the following: When the Enterprise-E travelled from 2063 back the 24th century shouldn't they now end up in the new timeline's 24th century created by Nero's temporal incursion? Or maybe not...
I'm a big, big proponent of the divergent timeline idea. It happened in Yesterday's Enterprise, it happened with the Mirror Universe, it happened with Parallels, and even Ensign Kim isn't really "our" Kim. If it's good enough for a multitude of Trek episodes, it's good enough for the movie, I think.
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