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Old March 7 2009, 04:32 PM   #76
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

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We're down to the final three hours of the series, and we've yet to understand what the Opera House means, what Starbuck is, and who is pulling the strings behind it all. They keep bringing it up but never progressing. WTF?
Well, I think if we had any of those answers now we wouldn't have much to look forward to in the last three hours. I understand people's complaints about the last few episodes (my wife feels the same way) but my opinion is, I've watched this show for four years because of the characters. I was really pleased to be able to spend some time near the end with them. I thought the scenes with Adama and Roslin, Baltar and Starbuck, Apollo and Starbuck, and Adama and Tigh at the end were all great. With the table set like this, I'm really looking forward to going out with a bang.

Now, if they drop the ball with the action and reveals in Daybreak Parts I and II, I'll agree with the naysayers. So far, I'm still on board with the producers.

Above average for me.
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Old March 7 2009, 05:01 PM   #77
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I hope this episode blows me away. I want to like this final set of episodes and join in the celebratory crowd here but I feel like such a downer. Just please finish the season strong.
the show is as good as it has ever been, if not better.

BSG has always been about drama first, art second, mythology a distant third, and hard scifi even further behind that.
No, sorry, it really isn't.
You don't get to make that decision, since you were never the showrunner.
The show has always been about the characters.
The story and mythology were moved forward mostly towards the ending and beginning (and middle) of seasons. What was in between always focused on the characters. This is how it has always been, and the show is definitely not gonna change its tune in its final hours. Get over it or stop watching.

The BSG writers should've looked to Lost to see how to write an excellent extended story where both the characters AND plot are developed week in, week out. BSG suffers because the writers can't seem to do both at the same time.
I'm pretty sure they could.
Its just that they don't want to, because they chose a different approach to storytelling.
This show is NOT Lost. Nor did it ever want to be.

It's funny because BSG's premise is more up my alley than Lost's premise. However, the execution on Lost is so much better that I typically end up enjoying its episodes more.
And thats perfectly fine. Me, I gave up on Lost during Season three and never bothered to tune in again (too much random deaths of characters that I really liked).
But I accept that Lost tells its story in a different way, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Because it wouldn't be Lost anymore.
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Old March 7 2009, 05:05 PM   #78
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What was the room Cavil locked Hera in? Was she being scanned for cloning or something?

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Old March 7 2009, 05:21 PM   #79
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Bear McCreary wrote that they deleted scenes that established Tyrol was in the brig! He says that instead, they decided to extend the dialogue scenes. My opinion of this episode just dropped. What the hell. According to what's actually aired I guess Kelly, Tyrol, Racetrack, Skulls, Gage, Vireem are all hiding in the same closet somewhere.
Thankfully, he also said that the DVD version of this episode will be extended so fear not.
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Old March 7 2009, 05:30 PM   #80
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Wow a lot of things happened here ... I guess the Chief was killed in that decompression accident that left 61 dead or...

................. 'missing'??????????

I didn't catch any mention of him last night and thought for sure after last week he's be shot.

Also I think Hera switched on something in Boomer that will play a significant role in the final episodes.

So they're getting ready to abandon ship, Huh! Well it got 'em this far and it looks like the base star will have to bring them home.

I gave this episode an average...it made sense the way everything played out it just wasn't as compelling like some earlier episodes. But I'm fine with that and will watch it again.
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I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
And has for Adama wanted to send the old girl off in style i think he should be careful what he wishes for.
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Old March 7 2009, 05:43 PM   #82
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A good episode. Im sure all these last few episodes wil play better when you watch them all together on DVD, I think its a case of people want answers or action in every episode so when we don't get it there labelled as "filler". The payoff im sure will be worth it.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:04 PM   #83
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If anyone's been getting shafted lately, it's Lee Adama. He's fourth in the credits (after Adama, Roslin, and Starbuck), and he's barely been present in this half season, especially the last few episodes.
His credit position means nothing; everybody after Sackhoff is in alphabetical order.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:10 PM   #84
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the show is as good as it has ever been, if not better.
No, sorry, it really isn't.
You don't get to make that decision, since you were never the showrunner.
Because I'm a show viewer, you bet I get to make that call. Of course, as a fellow show viewer, you get to make your own call.
The show has always been about the characters.
Yes, but good writing will develop characters AND the plot. Yes, that is more difficult but that's why it's called good writing.

This is how it has always been, and the show is definitely not gonna change its tune in its final hours. Get over it or stop watching.
Wow, you're being a bit harsh there. I've never said that I didn't enjoy the show. I just think it could be better in some ways. And, at points, BSG has been exceptional. The last 3 weeks have been a bit bland. I call them as I see them.

I'm pretty sure they could.
Its just that they don't want to, because they chose a different approach to storytelling.
This show is NOT Lost. Nor did it ever want to be.
I'm not saying that BSG should be Lost. I'm saying the writers of BSG could learn a thing or two from the writers of Lost. To illustrate this, I'd say that Lost is just as much about its characters as BSG is about its characters. However, while Lost has developed exceptional characters, they have ALSO developed the plot in extremely interesting ways.

This wasn't always the case with Lost. There was a time when Lost stumbled with the plot developments and you can bet I was criticizing that as well. But, the writers adapted, it's no longer a problem, and I give them high marks for that. I call them as I see them.

In the end, if it's ALL about the characters, you might as well write a soap. And BSG went down that path as well.

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Old March 7 2009, 06:14 PM   #85
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Frakkin Excellent! I think there is another gear that the final episode[s] will step into, but I really loved this. The end seems so near now, I felt quite emotional throughout the hour.

I was right there with Kara when Baltar started shouting about her and she slapped him; stupid Gaius. One of my favourite parts of though was shortly afterward where Lee tells Kara straightforwardly that he doesn't care what's happened, and that she's exactly the same. Tears in my eyes, dammit.

Hera crying was unsettling but then upset kids generally are. I was getting angry at Boomer but hey, a small glimmer of humanity remains in her in the way she looked after her in the end.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:15 PM   #86
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A good episode. Im sure all these last few episodes wil play better when you watch them all together on DVD, I think its a case of people want answers or action in every episode so when we don't get it there labelled as "filler". The payoff im sure will be worth it.
Hmm, they might be saving all the cg money for the final three episodes, so all these fillersodes are neccessary for a more epic finally.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:24 PM   #87
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^^ Filler doesn't have to be so bland! Filler also doesn't mean character development only.

But, it does seem like things will be kicked up a notch for the finale. I'm thankful for that.

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Old March 7 2009, 06:44 PM   #88
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Average.

There are a lot of ideas being tossed around, some of them interesting (Starbuck is human yet resurrected?) some of them meh (now the Cylons have a secret homeworld? how convenient) but it just isn't cohering into a story. It's a jumble of elements being tossed at us in order to fill time till the show ends. At this point, just before the end, there should be more of a sense of cumulative tension building to something of some importance, and instead it's just circling the drain.

Some emotional resonances still exist - Kara and Sam, Adama and Roslin, Adama and Tigh toasting the Galactica before her demise - but the major storyline, which has become The Eternal Cylon Soap Opera of Boredom, completely falls flat. I don't give a frak about Hera, or whether the Cylon race survives. They're a failed experiment, and they don't deserve to survive. Why doesn't anyone just admit it or even mention it as a possibility?

Adama blathered about humanity not deserving to survive, even though we've now discovered that humanity did nothing wrong and the whole catastrophe was Cavil throwing a tantrum and his Cylon pals (presumably) being either incredibly gullible or moronic to just go along with him unquestioningly. The Cylons were the ones at fault, so why don't they go commit suicide now? It would be consistent with the harsh moral tone this series has often taken, and is one of its most unique qualities that separates it from other sci fi sagas. I don't mind that tone - it's good to have something unique - but morality needs to be applied consistently or it becomes meaningless pompous twaddle.

I still fail to understand why the writers set the Cylons up to be not just evil but flat-out idiotic, yet expect us to have a shred of sympathy for them. The writers are the ones who have destroyed the possibility of that sympathy, so they should be honest about it in how they write the conclusion of this story. I wonder if they even realize what they've done - I don't think they do. There's clearly a story they want to tell, but it's not the one that they're telling. To tell that story would require a great deal of rewriting of the Cylons. The lack of advance planning is really showing now - they should never have attempted to tell a story this complicated completely on the fly.
I hope to god that galactica goes out in style, and that this show does not end on a downer or in a sopranos style.
If any show ever required a downer ending, this one is it. If the Cylon race doesn't end up completely exterminated for all time, it will render the harsh moral tone of the series nothing more than pompous twaddle. For the good of BSG, all Cylons must die! (Sorry Sam, you too. )
Am I the only one who teared up when Adama broke down in painting the Wall?
They've pulled that bit one time too many and at this point, it's cheap melodramatics. I kind of cringed/sneered at it, to be honest.
I'm not saying that BSG should be Lost. I'm saying the writers of BSG could learn a thing or two from the writers of Lost. To illustrate this, I'd say that Lost is just as much about its characters as BSG is about its characters. However, while Lost has developed exceptional characters, they have ALSO developed the plot in extremely interesting ways.
Yup.

BSG = Show worth watching for some of the characters, but the overall story is clumsy and sometimes painful to endure to get back to the good character moments.

Lost = Show worth watching for many of the characters and the overall story is great, too, so there are no dead periods where characters you don't give a flip about are on the screen and/or people are yakking about plot elements that really should have been dramatized, so that you are tempted to hit the fast-forward button just to get to the good stuff.

Why settle for one thing when you can get the whole package? I know Lost sets a very high standard for TV shows, but the standard exists and it's silly to ignore it out of some misguided loyalty to what is, after all, just a silly TV show about killer robots in space.

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Old March 7 2009, 06:53 PM   #89
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No, sorry, it really isn't.
You don't get to make that decision, since you were never the showrunner.
Because I'm a show viewer, you bet I get to make that call.
Funny, that the show is still the same though, isn't it?
Yes, but good writing will develop characters AND the plot. Yes, that is more difficult but that's why it's called good writing.
Why the frak does it have to be both all the time??
The plot is developed as long as it serves the development of the characters, nothing more. It's got a lower prioritiy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, as it is simply a different school of thought.
I could care less about the plot as long as I get great character moments delivered by great actors.
Its just that lately, everyone and their mother is all about Plot, Plot Plot and some more Plot. You know, like those annoying children at the backseat of a car yelling "Are we there yet?" all the time.
Just chill and have some faith, for fraks sake. RDM is a talented and expierienced writer, surrounded by a great cast and crew, which is why I fully trust them to wrap everything up nicely in the finale.
Until then, I'm gonna enjoy those last calm and character centric episodes for what they are. Or, to be precise, I DID enjoy them.

In the end, if it's ALL about the characters, you might as well write a soap. And BSG went down that path as well.
A soap is just bad and unimaginative characterdrama, mainly focussing on love-relationships between extremely cliched characters.
BSG hasn't done that. I admit, it came quite close with the quadrangle of doom, but that stopped pretty quickly.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:00 PM   #90
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Voted Average. Set up, set up, set up. Was expecting this because I didn't think the final pieces were in place yet. Looks like we're closer, but I bet next week is another hour of 90 - 95% set up, 10 - 5% reveal/action. . .
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