The Beatles - Page 4

Zachary Smith · March 5 2009, 09:51 PM

Kryton wrote:

Zachary Smith wrote:

Despite John's claim (and he was SLIGHTLY prone to exaggeration from time to time)

Now now...remember, what he REALLY meant was that the Beatles were TALLER than Jesus.

Well . . . . except for Ringo . . .

Norrin Radd · March 5 2009, 10:34 PM

Ringo did kinda luck out with the Beatles thing.

I don't dispute the man's talent at drums, but c'mon now...

Star Treks · March 5 2009, 10:45 PM

Norrin Radd wrote:

Ringo did kinda luck out with the Beatles thing.

I don't dispute the man's talent at drums, but c'mon now...

The situation was lucky for him, yes, but he was also the perfect drummer for them. He fulfilled his roles - drummer, once-an-album singer, and the less-serious one - to a T, and his drumming was always tasteful and never flashy, allowing the songwriting talents of the rest of the group to shine.

Norrin Radd · March 5 2009, 10:54 PM

I think Ringo should be credited with keeping them together. I've heard that Pete Best's good looks overshadowed John, Paul, and George. If he had stayed, that may have caused group instability. Plus, with Ringo, there was one less creative prima donna in the group.

ITL · March 5 2009, 10:55 PM

Also, what about experimental songs like Tomorrow Never Knows? The drum part - though powerful and tight - is very limited and repetitive, which IMO is exactly what the song needs for that locked-into-a-groove droney feel.

A drummer such as Keith Moon wouldn't have done that, I feel. He'd have been all over the kit in that flashy way of his - and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Moon's drumming. The man was a drummy god.

So yes, Ringo was limited in some areas. But he shone in others.

BTW - I LOVE the drumming on Rain and She Said, She Said. '66 was a good year for Ringo.

TheArsenal · March 5 2009, 11:02 PM

Norrin Radd wrote:

I think Ringo should be credited with keeping them together. I've heard that Pete Best's good looks overshadowed John, Paul, and George. If he had stayed, that may have caused group instability. Plus, with Ringo, there was one less creative prima donna in the group.

And Ringo was/is genuinely funny. His presence contributed quite a bit to the Beatles humor and charm, particularly during the famous first trip to America.

Zachary Smith · March 6 2009, 02:00 AM

The Beatles wouldn't have been the the Beatles without Ringo. My comment meant exactly what it implied--Ringo's a shorty (as in NOT very tall).

Ringo's "talents" can be debated til the cows come home but, as John himself pointed out, they didn't become THE BEATLES until Ringo joined. He had (has) personality and unique style of playing that was favored by John and Paul's tendencies to experiment. Part of the charm of the entire group was how they could manage such incredible music despite certain limitations. None of them could read or write music. John himself stated he was not "technically" a good guitarist. But, he pointed out, he was an artist and a creative human being and therefore capable of making someting out of whatever tools he had to work with.

A LOT of what makes a group or a person successful is "personality". Ringo brought that in by the truckload. I'd put him second only to John as far as quick wit goes and, as bizarre as John's observations could become, Ringo's balanced by being mundane and very ordinary. I mean, it was Ringo who took cans of beans in a suitcase to India and the Maharishi's camp, for crying out loud, because he couldn't stomach the local food.

Kryton · March 6 2009, 02:47 AM

ITL wrote:

A drummer such as Keith Moon wouldn't have done that, I feel. He'd have been all over the kit in that flashy way of his - and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Moon's drumming. The man was a drummy god.

The best way I ever heard it was shortly after Keith's death in '78.

Ringo kept time. Keith PLAYED the drums.

Love 'em both for different reasons but couldn't agree with that phrase more.

Zachary Smith · March 6 2009, 05:20 AM

Kryton wrote:

ITL wrote:

A drummer such as Keith Moon wouldn't have done that, I feel. He'd have been all over the kit in that flashy way of his - and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Moon's drumming. The man was a drummy god.

The best way I ever heard it was shortly after Keith's death in '78.

Ringo kept time. Keith PLAYED the drums.

Love 'em both for different reasons but couldn't agree with that phrase more.

How about this one? Keith Moon was a great drummer. Ringo made a great Beatle!

TheMurph · March 6 2009, 08:11 PM

Ringo is definitely a musicians friend when it came to the drums. A perfect time keeper and a master at interesting fills.

kitkat · March 6 2009, 10:01 PM

I don't know where I would start and/or end so I'll just say that The Beatles are amazing! Absolute perfection as far as I'm concerned. I won't argue my point against anyone because it doesn't matter to me what other people think. They are the single greatest music group ever. No one can touch them in my eyes.

All of this is of course, IMO.

Shatmandu · March 6 2009, 10:09 PM

stoneroses wrote:

I have met Sir Paul McCartney and he was so friendly. He spoke to both me and my girlfriend when we bumped into him on his own in Regent's Park in London. He was intersted where we where from and so humble. Top bloke!

I agree. I met him years ago, in a restaurant.

I was eating dinner with my girlfriend at the time. A group of people walked by, and a young kid about eleven was fishing something out of his pocket and dropped a watch on the floor.

I picked it up, followed them to their table, and gave the watch back to the kid. No big deal.

Ten minutes later, I noticed Paul McCartney walk in. A minute after that, he comes up to our table and thanks me for giving his son the watch back. It had been a gift.

Very nice guy. No drama.

And from the glances, he certainly appreciated my girl's big tits, too.

Joe, ditto

QuasarVM · March 6 2009, 10:42 PM

Kryton wrote:

When the HELL is "Let It Be" getting a release? Last time it was on home video was in the very early '80s when VHS was new-ish...and it's NEVER been on DVD.

Do you like watching road accidents too?

Norrin Radd · March 7 2009, 12:23 AM

Some people say "Let it Be" is their worst album. I honestly think it's their best...or at least no worse than their other work.

I'm not sure about the video, though. Never seen it.

Kryton · March 7 2009, 12:29 AM

QuasarVM wrote:

Kryton wrote:

When the HELL is "Let It Be" getting a release? Last time it was on home video was in the very early '80s when VHS was new-ish...and it's NEVER been on DVD.

Do you like watching road accidents too?

Well, the 3 or 4 times I saw it, I never really felt that way. It was like watching someone falling out of love...or, better put, coming to the realization that what they once had they can never quite re-attain.

It was the best of times for them and the worst of times. I doubt Brian Epstein would have even allowed the filming of it had he been alive at the time.

March 5 2009, 10:34 PM	#47
Norrin Radd Vice Admiral	Re: The Beatles Ringo did kinda luck out with the Beatles thing. I don't dispute the man's talent at drums, but c'mon now...

March 5 2009, 10:54 PM	#49
Norrin Radd Vice Admiral	Re: The Beatles I think Ringo should be credited with keeping them together. I've heard that Pete Best's good looks overshadowed John, Paul, and George. If he had stayed, that may have caused group instability. Plus, with Ringo, there was one less creative prima donna in the group.

March 5 2009, 10:55 PM	#50
ITL Vice Admiral Location: Palace Of The Brine	Re: The Beatles Also, what about experimental songs like Tomorrow Never Knows? The drum part - though powerful and tight - is very limited and repetitive, which IMO is exactly what the song needs for that locked-into-a-groove droney feel. A drummer such as Keith Moon wouldn't have done that, I feel. He'd have been all over the kit in that flashy way of his - and don't get me wrong, I LOVE Moon's drumming. The man was a drummy god. So yes, Ringo was limited in some areas. But he shone in others. BTW - I LOVE the drumming on Rain and She Said, She Said. '66 was a good year for Ringo.

March 6 2009, 02:00 AM	#52
Zachary Smith Vice Admiral Location: Lost somewhere in space	Re: The Beatles The Beatles wouldn't have been the the Beatles without Ringo. My comment meant exactly what it implied--Ringo's a shorty (as in NOT very tall). Ringo's "talents" can be debated til the cows come home but, as John himself pointed out, they didn't become THE BEATLES until Ringo joined. He had (has) personality and unique style of playing that was favored by John and Paul's tendencies to experiment. Part of the charm of the entire group was how they could manage such incredible music despite certain limitations. None of them could read or write music. John himself stated he was not "technically" a good guitarist. But, he pointed out, he was an artist and a creative human being and therefore capable of making someting out of whatever tools he had to work with. A LOT of what makes a group or a person successful is "personality". Ringo brought that in by the truckload. I'd put him second only to John as far as quick wit goes and, as bizarre as John's observations could become, Ringo's balanced by being mundane and very ordinary. I mean, it was Ringo who took cans of beans in a suitcase to India and the Maharishi's camp, for crying out loud, because he couldn't stomach the local food. __________________ OHHhhhhh . . . the pain . . . the pain . . . My favorite TV show is "Cool Hand Luke Skywalker--Texas Ranger". The best episode is the one where he fights Samantha's wacky Sith Lord Uncle, Darth Arthur . . ."

March 6 2009, 08:11 PM	#55
TheMurph Rear Admiral Location: TN	Re: The Beatles Ringo is definitely a musicians friend when it came to the drums. A perfect time keeper and a master at interesting fills. __________________ "I listen for your footsteps coming up the drive, Listen for your footsteps but they don't arrive, Waiting for your knock dear on my old front door, I don't hear it, Does it mean you don't love me anymore?"

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March 6 2009, 10:01 PM	#56
kitkat Admiral Location: The South	Re: The Beatles I don't know where I would start and/or end so I'll just say that The Beatles are amazing! Absolute perfection as far as I'm concerned. I won't argue my point against anyone because it doesn't matter to me what other people think. They are the single greatest music group ever. No one can touch them in my eyes. All of this is of course, IMO. __________________ I don't have ADD. Oh look, a chicken. Past, present and future walked into a bar...it was tense.

March 7 2009, 12:23 AM	#59
Norrin Radd Vice Admiral	Re: The Beatles Some people say "Let it Be" is their worst album. I honestly think it's their best...or at least no worse than their other work. I'm not sure about the video, though. Never seen it.