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View Poll Results: Grade the movie
A+ 49 16.78%
A 66 22.60%
A- 56 19.18%
B+ 34 11.64%
B 24 8.22%
B- 16 5.48%
C+ 13 4.45%
C 9 3.08%
C- 5 1.71%
D+ 2 0.68%
D 9 3.08%
D- 5 1.71%
F 4 1.37%
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Old March 4 2009, 03:25 PM   #16
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Re: WATCHMEN - Movie Discussion and Grading (SPOILERS)

It's good. Makes a lot less sense if you haven't read the book, but a reasonable argument could be made that you don't deserve to enjoy the film if you haven't read the book.

(an equally reasonable argument could be made that, yes you do)

there's not much changed in the plot that much until near the end, some things happen in a slightly different order and the flashback structure doesn't flow as nicely as it did in the comic but... it's the comic put on screen. frames from the panels made into shots.

It's very violent, It deserves it's 18 rating for more than just Doctor Manhattan's big blue willy. Could the story have been told without so much of it? Probably, did this comic have this much? Yes. but there's something more horrific in film then on the page. Still, I'd rather this than a watered down '12' rated version... yuk!

one problems I had with Zack Snyder's take, I haven't seen his other films I haven't seen, uses speed ramps in the film leaving the impression that the heroes have superpowers or at least buffy style super strength.

It's closer to it's source material than 'V for Vendetta' but like that example it works better as a companion piece after you read the original than standing as a film in it's own right.
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Old March 4 2009, 09:23 PM   #17
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one problems I had with Zack Snyder's take, I haven't seen his other films I haven't seen, uses speed ramps in the film leaving the impression that the heroes have superpowers or at least buffy style super strength.
That sounds like the director of 300 all right. Well at least it will look cool.
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Old March 4 2009, 09:28 PM   #18
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there's a review at www.atthemoviestv.com
of course Lyon's is a prick, and like every other review he does, he sounds like he's just taking his review off a shelf somewhere, where he's just reading the film's publicity material
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Old March 4 2009, 10:04 PM   #19
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A

Saw it Monday night, never having read the source material. I thought it was great.
The comic is now on the top of my reading list. Nice to know the hype wasn't blown totally out of proportion.
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Old March 5 2009, 05:49 AM   #20
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Yet another preson, who never read the comic, but really enjoyed the movie. The comic is coming I'm gonna have to read. A-
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Old March 5 2009, 07:16 AM   #21
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Re: WATCHMEN - Movie Discussion and Grading (SPOILERS)

Elim, Did you get the Trek trailer in your session as well? Thought the movie was disappointingly average. Having read the novel, I wasn't expecting it to exceed in quality, but considering the talent involved, hoped that it would at least match it. Patrick Wilson, as always, was brilliant and the direction / cinematography top notch, but the pacing and script left a lot to be desired. C+

Also, Matthew Goode irritated the hell out of me. I think it was the hair.
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Old March 5 2009, 11:53 AM   #22
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I liked the full-frontal bluedity.
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Old March 5 2009, 12:29 PM   #23
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I'll probably be seeing this either next Monday or Tuesday. I'm in the middle of re-reading the comic right now. Looking forward to the movie.
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Old March 5 2009, 07:19 PM   #24
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I liked the full-frontal bluedity.
My ex-girlfriend said the same thing. She liked that he was a "shower" not a "grower" otherwise it would've been less fun seeing the 'bluedity'.

Me I'd have preferred more Silk Specter!
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Old March 6 2009, 12:02 AM   #25
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I'll probably be seeing this either next Monday or Tuesday. I'm in the middle of re-reading the comic right now. Looking forward to the movie.
I consider myself a fast reader but it's taking me a long time to reread it. There is just so much story packed into each page.
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Old March 6 2009, 02:56 AM   #26
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the greatness of Roger Ebert:

From where [Dr. Manhattan] stands, he might as well be regarding a termite. Why does he even bother to make love with Laurie Jupiter? Not for his own pleasure, I'm convinced. And not to father a Little Manhattan, either, because as I understand his body he would ejaculate only energy. Could be fun for Laurie, but no precautions needed, except not to be grounded at the time.
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Old March 6 2009, 04:40 AM   #27
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I tend to have a Love/Hate relationship with Roger Ebert. Sometimes he is very perceptive, one of few critics I admire. But sometimes he is this other guy, coming of like some of the people who post here and are fixated on inane details. That Ebert is a nut! His Watchmen review is clearly from the Insightful Ebert!
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Old March 6 2009, 05:07 AM   #28
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I dunno, the trailer for this movie looks pretty lame! I just can't understand the praise it's getting!

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Old March 6 2009, 05:34 AM   #29
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Just got back from a midnight showing.

Verdict:

Terrible.

More tommorow.

EDIT: 80% of the scenes fell flat, as they were lifted straight out of the comic book. Most of the actors had no insight into their characters, merely thought they were acting out some tome, so the scenes fell short and the acting felt either melodramatic or wooden.

Most insight were gutted from the book (E.g Rorshach's changed scene with the Swat Team, Silk Spectre's characterization, e.g.) at best, reducing character's dimensions to the grand total of one, and at worst, destroying the story, literally leaving the film as pointless. Can any of you tell me what this film was about? I can tell you what the graphic novel was about... this film... not so much.

On a tangent, the audience for this film gave me more of an unfortunate insight into humanity than this film could ever hope to achieve. I came out disappointed, and men from their late twenties to their early forties celebrated the film as some revelation, making me fear deeply for the place of fiction in society. If people can't abdicate their stupid beliefs for two hours, more or less, then we might be heading to a very dark place indeed...

Then again, they could put on these beliefs for the benefit of their group, as soon as the credits rolled... So maybe someone in the Renfrew St Cineworld, Glasgow, felt the same as me.

On a positive note, That Zach Snyder must have been some music video director. Nat King Cole's 'Unforgettable' played over The Comedian's execution was very enjoyable.

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Old March 6 2009, 08:31 AM   #30
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Solid B+.

They generally got the important stuff in. The one major piece of adaptation (the change to the ending) I thought was actually quite brilliant.

Acting was pretty good; Haley the obvious standout in the showiest role. Crudup didn't really sound like I thought Manhattan would, but I quickly got used to it. Akerman is probably the weakest link, but she was really hot, so I'm easy to please.

I missed a couple of lines here and there (I really wanted Manhattan to use the term "thermodynamic miracle", for example; for me, that phrase just brought home the think he was making).
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