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Old March 3 2009, 03:21 AM   #31
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Re: How we deal with death

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Bucky has indeed returned and become a major player, and Uncle Ben has also made appearances, although not the 'real' Uncle Ben. As far as I know, however, Batman's parents have yet to rise from their graves.

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Old March 3 2009, 04:21 PM   #32
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Re: How we deal with death

Hey, Bruce and Martha Wayne are still dead. As well as the real Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

Of course, Bucky turned out to have a case of "never-was dead" - which is fair, as he never had an on-panel death to begin with.

And of course, there's always Jean Grey, who may or may not presently be an eight year old girl time-traveling with Cable centuries in the future. Or just might be in the White Hot Room. Who knows?

See? Star Trek deaths are really quite reasonable, by comparison.
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Old March 3 2009, 08:56 PM   #33
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And of course, there's always Jean Grey, who may or may not presently be an eight year old girl time-traveling with Cable centuries in the future. Or just might be in the White Hot Room. Who knows?
Yeahbuhwhaaa?

Oy. This makes me glad I haven't read the X-Men books in quite some time....
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Old March 3 2009, 09:06 PM   #34
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To be fair, if she is the child Cable's protecting, it actually plays pretty well into the way Morrison left her a few years ago.
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Old March 3 2009, 09:13 PM   #35
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The real stunt "deaths" are the Defiant and Delta Flyer, blown up for effect, then brought back a couple of episodes later.
Good examples.

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The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".
Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.
No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

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As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.
Kathryn Janeway is in FULL CIRCLE, as the book spans several years while she was serving in Command.

Strange that everyone seems to "know" what I've said and what is planned...and I haven't posted a single comment. (except this one)

Ah...the Internet.

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Old March 3 2009, 09:37 PM   #36
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As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.
Kathryn Janeway is in FULL CIRCLE, as the book spans several years while she was serving in Command.

Strange that everyone seems to "know" what I've said and what is planned...and I haven't posted a single comment. (except this one)

Ah...the Internet.

Margaret
I was basing that on stuff that'd been posted about conversations with you at conventions; if I'm at all mistaken or misrepresenting you, please correct me. At the very least, I accurately quoted Kirsten from another thread; the last thing I want to do is be presumptive or spread misinformation.
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Old March 3 2009, 10:33 PM   #37
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Re: How we deal with death

I think the most recent trek lit (that which has been written over the last decade or so) has done a great job bringing death into its stories. We all react to death in different ways...but I think its really interesting to see some of the characters we've seen established on screen die in the comics and novels.

Some of the Klingon characters Krad killed off in his books had quite the affect on me as I read them. I read them not knowing Colonel Worf, Azetbur, and K'avada would die and was SHOCKED when they did.

I guess one of the more frustrating things for me is when one character does get killed off (like Gul Evek) by one novelist and then that death isn't followed through on by editors or other writers.

Just my opinion though,
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Old March 3 2009, 11:43 PM   #38
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Those who want a "dark show" or read similar books can watch the news or read some evening tabloid and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world
Amen....

BTW...wasn't Batman's dad THOMAS Wane?
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Old March 4 2009, 12:46 AM   #39
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Not only is Bucky still alive, he is now Captain America.
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Old March 4 2009, 02:22 AM   #40
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Some of the Klingon characters Krad killed off in his books had quite the affect on me as I read them. I read them not knowing Colonel Worf, Azetbur, and K'avada would die and was SHOCKED when they did.
Not to put too fine a point on it, Jason, but Keith did not kill Azetbur, who died in Serpents Among the Ruins. I have to take credit for that.

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Old March 4 2009, 04:06 AM   #41
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Old March 4 2009, 04:51 AM   #42
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I'm actually happy that there are skilled writers who have the skill, will and imagination to undo some of the worst character destructions of Star Trek.

If Star Trek had been such a destructive doom crap show as some "fans" seem to want it to be, I wouldn't have watched a single second of it or bought a single book. In that case I prefer biographies about real people.

Star Trek is supposed to be a series of hope for mankind and hope for a better future, not a refelection of the dark ages of the 21th century.

Those who want a "dark show" or read similar books can watch the news or read some evening tabloid and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world or watch a nearby funeral instead.
And in the VOY forum:

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If Voyager had been such a destructive doom crap show, I wouldn't have watched a single second of it.

Star Trek is supposed to be a series of hope for mankind and hope for a better future, not a refelection of the dark ages of the 21th century.

Those who want a "dark show" can watch the news and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world or watch a nearby funeral.

As for Chakotay, Neelix and Kim, they were good characters. Voyager had the best characters of all Star Trek series. Why should any of them be killed off and be replaced by second-hand nobodies? Strange suggestions indeed.

As for BSG, it sucks! Too much of 20th-21th century losers among the characters.
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Old March 4 2009, 05:35 AM   #43
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[Henry Kissinger] What? What is funny? [/Henry Kissinger]

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Old March 4 2009, 05:43 AM   #44
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I'm actually happy that there are skilled writers who have the skill, will and imagination to undo some of the worst character destructions of Star Trek.

If Star Trek had been such a destructive doom crap show as some "fans" seem to want it to be, I wouldn't have watched a single second of it or bought a single book. In that case I prefer biographies about real people.

Star Trek is supposed to be a series of hope for mankind and hope for a better future, not a refelection of the dark ages of the 21th century.

Those who want a "dark show" or read similar books can watch the news or read some evening tabloid and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world or watch a nearby funeral instead.
And in the VOY forum:

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If Voyager had been such a destructive doom crap show, I wouldn't have watched a single second of it.

Star Trek is supposed to be a series of hope for mankind and hope for a better future, not a refelection of the dark ages of the 21th century.

Those who want a "dark show" can watch the news and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world or watch a nearby funeral.

As for Chakotay, Neelix and Kim, they were good characters. Voyager had the best characters of all Star Trek series. Why should any of them be killed off and be replaced by second-hand nobodies? Strange suggestions indeed.

As for BSG, it sucks! Too much of 20th-21th century losers among the characters.
Turns out putting Lynx on my ignore list was the right decision after all...

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Old March 4 2009, 06:00 AM   #45
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