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Old February 26 2009, 04:20 AM   #16
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Re: Lost 5x07: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

^he ordered it though...and he was a complete and total ass to Desmond...unless he did it to get Desmond to the island...still an ass though.

Ben...well Ben is teh awesomeness in his own twisted little way
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Old February 26 2009, 04:22 AM   #17
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Re: Lost 5x07: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

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Questions up in the air...

- Why did Ben kill Locke after telling him he had to lead?
Like I said in the commentary I think Ben had to make sure Ben died with the least amount of physical damage. A broken neck from hanging might have presented a problem.

I can see when they meet again and Locke confronts him about killing him and Ben says "I did it for yoooou Joooohn. You wouldn't want to be walking around with your head flopping around would you?"



- What was up with Jack's breakdown? He acted like he's been visited by Locke repeatedly over the last three years or something like that.
Well, after last weeks episode and the giving of his only son (3:16), we were seeing symbolism of Locke having second thoughts and asking that the cup passes from him. Nonetheless, the Island's will be done.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:22 AM   #18
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Re: Lost 5x07: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

he killed an other of bens in season 2 or 3 on the tv to jack
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Old February 26 2009, 04:22 AM   #19
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Re: Lost 5x07: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

Ben lies, both are manipulative, but Ben is a big fat lier. Ben is also a murderer. Remember, he may have killed Penny in the last episode.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:24 AM   #20
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Excellent.

What a great hour of television. I really liked the format of the episode and Terry O'Quinn gave a knockout performance. It was nice seeing Walt again and all of Jack's visits with the island folks were good. Nice car crash sequence. Poor Helen though. And poor Abbandon.

Could smell Ben killing Locke a mile away but the scene was still effective. Don't know who to trust between him and Widmore. I like that we have a new group of survivors and they are in the present while some of the Five are in the past. One thing I'd like to know though...did Frank remember the way off the island?
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Old February 26 2009, 04:25 AM   #21
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If Widmore was a good guy, Alex would still be alive, not to mention Carl and Danielle.
Not perfect, but "gooder" than Ben at least, maybe. I dunno, I haven't seen Widmore personally kill anyone yet.
Jack the Ripper fits that definition, too. He didn't kill as many as Ben has. And how many did Hitler kill personally? Ah, I really agree with you tho. Right now, Ben seems the worst. He seems like a real psycho. And he managed to get his butt back on the island.
Is the island mad at Locke for listening to Ben and not to Christian?
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Old February 26 2009, 04:27 AM   #22
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Re: Lost 5x07: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

Both are scum bags, but I'll just say this, I'd trust Widmore before I trust Ben. In the order of evilness, It is Ben>Widmore IMO, right now.

I just really really find it interesting Jack is on Ben's side, and Locke on Widmore's. That should be interesting.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:38 AM   #23
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Holy ****. I just spend 25 goddamn minutes trying to get my computer to ****ing work to come here and post. It just froze for no ****ing reason and wouldn't get online after two reboots. Wow. That pissed me off.

Anyway, good episode. 3.5/4 I guess. It did fall too much on the "showing us things we already knew" problem the way the S4 finale did, though.

I think this is the first time in the series history that I've truly been stumped about something. I honestly have no clue who's the "bad guy" anymore, Ben or Widmore or a third party. I have no clue why Ben murdered Locke after having saved him from suicide a minute earlier. I guess he did it b/c Locke knew about Hawking.... but if the Island/Jacob sent Locke here to recollect the O6 surely it would tell him how to get back??? Or did Ben think he would be relied upon to get them to Hawking so he could still be in control? I just don't know, man.

It was great to see Abaddon again... but they sure did wussify him. He went from being a mysterious mastermind to an assisted living dude. And then he dies. Is this cause he's on Fringe? Very disappointing.

So is Widmore really a good guy? I just don't know. At least my theory was confirmed, that he WAS the Native Leader until Ben somehow conned him into pushing the Donkey Wheel. Boo yah.

So when Ben teleports to Tunisia, the cameras aren't there. When Locke does, they're there and Widmore knows it's "the exit". But surely he would have known that from his "exit", so why weren't the cameras there for Ben? Of course his agents showed up to nab/kill Ben shortly after he arrived, but where were the cameras?

Man, Walt is older. And his voice is deeper. Too bad they don't have to bring him back.

My favorite part of the episode that totally geeked me out? THEY'RE BACK ON HYDRA ISLAND!!! I love Hydra Island, man. You've got an entire unexplored Dharma secret base. That's so cool that the Ajira plane landed on Hydra Island which we haven't seen in two whole seasons! I love it!

That crashed plane was frickin' pristine, man. That was a controlled landing. It crashes on a rocky island but the fuselage is intact? Did the Island gently lower it via tractor beam? And we got confirmation that the O6 were "raptured" off the plane, which is cool.

Did anyone else briefly think (between Ben stoppin the suicide and Ben completing the "suicide") that they faked his death with the ole "heart slowing injection" and he was alive all along?
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Old February 26 2009, 04:40 AM   #24
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My favorite part of the episode that totally geeked me out? THEY'RE BACK ON HYDRA ISLAND!!! I love Hydra Island, man. You've got an entire unexplored Dharma secret base. That's so cool that the Ajira plane landed on Hydra Island which we haven't seen in two whole seasons! I love it!

That crashed plane was frickin' pristine, man. That was a controlled landing. It crashes on a rocky island but the fuselage is intact? Did the Island gently lower it via tractor beam? And we got confirmation that the O6 were "raptured" off the plane, which is cool.
If you recall, The Others were building a runway there! Likely Frank saw it and landed them there. It looked like they were walking on paved cement.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:41 AM   #25
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An hour of John Locke and during that hour Locke dies and then comes back to life. Can it get anything less than an "Excellent?" I think not.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:43 AM   #26
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I just can't buy Widmore as the good guy. I still go with Ben. Widmore sent an armed team to the Island with the backup plan of gassing the Island and killing every single living person on it. That's pretty evil. And Ben said he didn't want to do the Purge but had to to get in with the Others. Maybe Widmore, leader at the time, ordered Ben's role in the Purge.

Can't wait to see screen caps of the Island maps that Caesar found at the beginning of the episode. Is he a Widmore soldier? He certainly seemed to know what he was looking for.

The above theory about Ben killing Locke for the least amount of physical damage is a neat idea and I could definitely buy that being true.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:45 AM   #27
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""If you recall, The Others were building a runway there! Likely Frank saw it and landed them there. It looked like they were walking on paved cement."" Dood, you just blew my mind. That's right they WERE building what was probably a runway! Did they know about the Ajira crash from a future timeflash traveller???

The other big question of the night. The pilot (Frank) and "a woman" ran off with the passenger manifest. Who's the woman??? It can't be an O6er (ie the unseen Sun) since she didn't rapture off the plane. It's not Sayid's lady cop. So who was it???
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Old February 26 2009, 04:47 AM   #28
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Thanks for the answers Brent and Gertch. Locke's death makes more sense now.

To Mr. Light...

- We could still see Walt and Abaddon again.

- I got the impression that Ben was lying when he said he knew Hawking. I dunno, something sounded off about his response to Locke mentioning her. Even if he did know her, maybe he didn't know a lot about her, her ability to get people back to the island, or where she was. He was letting on that he knew more than he actually did.

- I thought that maybe the Ajira plane skipped across the water and ended up a bit inland just past the beach. [Edit] Just read Sisko's post about the runway.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:55 AM   #29
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Does anybody remember where the Ajira plane landed? I recall it being intact on the side of a mountainous hill.

When Ben visits Hawking in "The Lie" they appeared to be familiar with each other. And she says to Jack about how Ben always lies, like they know each other well.
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Hmm, so they did outright state they were building a runway there. I couldn't remember if that was theory or stated: "SAWYER: So, when you pulled us out of those polar bear cages and put us on the chain gang, what the hell you have us breaking all those rocks for anyway? JULIET: We were building a runway. SAWYER: Runway, for what? JULIET: [Turns to him] The aliens."The moment they opened the episode showing people on a beach looking at another large island, I immediately thought HEY! Are they on Hydra Island?
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