RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,766
Posts: 5,433,924
Members: 24,839
Currently online: 650
Newest member: mrcptuk

TrekToday headlines

The Art of John Alvin Book Review
By: T'Bonz on Sep 23

Episode Four of The Red Shirt Diaries
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Star Trek: The Compendium Review
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Orci Drops Rangers Project
By: T'Bonz on Sep 22

Retro Review: Image in the Sand
By: Michelle on Sep 20

Star Trek: Shadows Of Tyranny Casting Call
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

USS Vengeance And More Starship Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek 3 To Being Shooting Next Year
By: T'Bonz on Sep 19

Trek Messenger Bag
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18

Star Trek Live In Concert In Australia
By: T'Bonz on Sep 18


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

View Poll Results: Grading
Excellent 3 2.80%
Above average 27 25.23%
Average 45 42.06%
Below average 25 23.36%
Poor 7 6.54%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 14 2009, 04:34 AM   #16
tharpdevenport
Admiral
 
tharpdevenport's Avatar
 
Location: Click here for super karate monkey death MOD porn!
View tharpdevenport's Twitter Profile
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Here's what I posted at Whedonesque:

I came into it now expecting to see BTVS/"Angel"/"Firefly", but somethign new and good from Whedon. What I saw barely had any Whedon on it at all. From the crummy motorcycle race with annoying song playing during, to just the plain "feel", it's like FOX has put their fingerprints on this.

I can live without the humor he does in other series, 'cause not every show needs it (though I miss it), but this just didn't come across strong enough on it's own emotions, and the droning, do-nothing scoring in the back ground sure didn't help.

An older review stating it was't like Dushku becoming someone else, but rather Dusku dressed as somebody else, is fairly accurate. It was like Dushku in glasses.

By the end I was bored, even felt like just turning the TV off and doing something else. Whedon has stated the show "found" it's stride in later episodes; I hope so, because I won't give this show a full 13 episodes to impress me.


Dushku: average performance, could have been a LOT better.

Olivia Williams: okay, but her character just feels empty, like it's missing something, and she's too cliched for my Whedon tastes.

Fran Kranz: completely boring. Just a walking shell who puts some lines and looks in occassionally, but I wouldn't even blink if he vanished a few episodes later.

Harry Lennix: now this character I like; just looking at hgim you get the feeling there is more to him and that he can actually act.

Rob Simonsen & Mychael Danna's score: background servicing. A composer change is strongely needed for the series.


If a 10 Star system was used, I'd have to rate the episode as a *****. If it wasn't for my love of Whedon, and the aforementioned later foot-finding of the series, I wouldn't keep tuning in.


Oh, and every show he's done had a memorable music theme, this one ... totally forgettable. A new theme is needed as well.

I just get the feeling watching this, that past Whedon comments about loving his characters and getting into their heads, just was barely here at all; it's like he just didn't care about the vast majority of the main characters.
__________________
Mr. Signature
Number 2 "Are you going to run?"
Number 6 "Like blazes! The first chance I get."
-Smile! God Loves You! Too bad he doesn't exist, oh and everyone else thinks you're an asshole.
tharpdevenport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 05:15 AM   #17
Caligula
Vice Admiral
 
Caligula's Avatar
 
Location: Knoxville, TN USA
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I had high hopes going in, but tonight's episode was really average. And surprisingly humorless for a Joss Whedon series. I'll tune in next week, of course, but as for tonight.... Meh.
Caligula is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 06:04 AM   #18
species5618
Commodore
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Starbreaker wrote: View Post
This is a snoozefest.
This sums it up right here. Apart from Dushku and Amy Acker's presence, it didn't 'feel' like a Joss Whedon show to me in the least, if that makes any sense.

I'll give it a few more episodes, but I'm not exactly fired up about this series.

Average.

Also, did the production designer steal the cast off sets from Wolfram and Hart's season 5 offices for the Dollhouse facility? Other than being slightly more organic looking, it looks fairly similar.
__________________
We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Colonel Saul Tigh
species5618 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 06:39 AM   #19
Agent Richard07
Admiral
 
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Starbreaker wrote: View Post
It's convoluted and boring, but I got to see Eliza Dushku in a towel.
And a white dress that showed off her sexiness as she danced the night away. Oh man! Those legs and that long flowing hair... I think this is as good as I've ever seen her.

Beyond that, I found the concept pretty intriguing. A young woman who looks to have had some ambition in life finds herself "hooking" for this "Dollhouse". How did she end up there? And what's up with this Dollhouse organization itself with its shady madam (it's nice to see Olivia Williams again) and its sometimes good/often questionable activities? Throw in Helo the FBI guy as the "antagonist" who's on to them, and you have a good thing going here.

It looks like the consensus here is that this is a bad show. I don't share that view, but I won't argue with it either. I'll keep watching as long as I'm interested and mildly entertained.

Last edited by Agent Richard07; February 14 2009 at 04:14 PM.
Agent Richard07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 06:39 AM   #20
OdoWanKenobi
Ring Slinger
 
OdoWanKenobi's Avatar
 
Location: Ysmault
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I pretty much have to echo (sorry, pun) the thoughts here so far. It's missing that spark that made me a fan of Whedon's previous shows. There's really nobody to care about yet. Buffy, Angel, Mal, etc. these characters hooked you right from the start and made you care about what happened to them. I really don't feel that way so far. In fact, I can't even remember any character other than Echo's name. Not so in the other shows. I has Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles down pat in one episode. There's nothing to excite, and I honestly can't see this premise holding an entire series. I'll still tune in next week in hopes that Whedon will give me some reason to stay, but right now I wouldn't shed any tears if it got cancelled very early.
__________________
"In Brightest Day, in Blackest Night, no evil shall escape my sight. Let those who worship evil's might, beware my power: Green Lantern's light!"
OdoWanKenobi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:03 AM   #21
Ryan Thomas Riddle
Rear Admiral
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle's Avatar
 
Location: The Bay Area
View Ryan Thomas Riddle's Twitter Profile
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

OdoWanKenobi wrote: View Post
I pretty much have to echo (sorry, pun) the thoughts here so far. It's missing that spark that made me a fan of Whedon's previous shows.
Fo'sho. I think there's nothing snappy in the way the characters interact so far. No sense of play among them. It's very sedate. Nevertheless, I gave it an above average for the concept.

I'm willing to see where it goes from here.
__________________
A mild-mannered reporter
Ryan Thomas Riddle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:10 AM   #22
Kaijufan
Rear Admiral
 
Kaijufan's Avatar
 
Location: Amana, Iowa
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I thought it was an okay episode, especially for a pilot, but it just didn't feel like a Whedon show. I'll keep watching though, hopefully it will get better, and I don't have anything else to do between Terminator and Battlestar Galactica.
__________________

Kaijufan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:17 AM   #23
Hicks
Captain
 
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

It wasn't as bad as I was expecting from the "buzz" (if you can call it that) I'd read along the way.

Still voted Average, but in my case that's a good thing. I'll keep watching. It was just interesting enough combined with the knowledge of it being a Whedon show that it will have to turn me off to make me turn IT off.
Hicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:25 AM   #24
Plain Simple
Commodore
 
Plain Simple's Avatar
 
Location: LA
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I have to agree with the majority here. It was average and definitely missing that undefinable spark that the other Whedon shows did have. And it's not just the lack of humour. Like someone else mentioned, it's hard to even remember any of the character's names besides Echo. I'll stick with it for now though, I'm not going to judge the whole series by one episode and what Whedon's done in the past has bought him a lot of credit in my book, but I'm fearing the worst for this series.

On the plus side, Eliza Dushku looked stunning in her role as perfect date, and Amy Acker asking her if she wanted a massage... now come on Joss... don't tease us like that!
__________________
Now all I want is to warn earth: watch Farscape... and share the wonders I've seen.

It's Tolkien, not Tolkein.
Plain Simple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:27 AM   #25
bigdaddy
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Space Massachusetts
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Ouch... fanboy, and fangirl, freaks on this site didn't even think it was that good in the poll.

It was rather boring, it could have had a great setup and I like the idea, but it failed.
__________________
The powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
bigdaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:39 AM   #26
Plain Simple
Commodore
 
Plain Simple's Avatar
 
Location: LA
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Plain Simple wrote: View Post
I have to agree with the majority here. It was average and definitely missing that undefinable spark that the other Whedon shows did have. And it's not just the lack of humour. Like someone else mentioned, it's hard to even remember any of the character's names besides Echo. I'll stick with it for now though, I'm not going to judge the whole series by one episode and what Whedon's done in the past has bought him a lot of credit in my book, but I'm fearing the worst for this series.

On the plus side, Eliza Dushku looked stunning in her role as perfect date, and Amy Acker asking her if she wanted a massage... now come on Joss... don't tease us like that!
Let me add to that, that I do tend to agree with the poster who wrote that probably at some point in the show (if it reaches that point) Echo will turn against Dollhouse and end up working with the cop whose name I forgot...
__________________
Now all I want is to warn earth: watch Farscape... and share the wonders I've seen.

It's Tolkien, not Tolkein.
Plain Simple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 07:53 AM   #27
IndyJones
Vice Admiral
 
IndyJones's Avatar
 
Location: Chicago
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Caligula wrote: View Post
I had high hopes going in, but tonight's episode was really average. And surprisingly humorless for a Joss Whedon series.
Agreed. I found Firefly after airing and before DVD (now own Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Serenity). Serenity I saw on opening day, and it's the only Whedon I saw close to air date. This didn't fell like his writing at all. He forgot the funny.

Hopefully the show gets a chance to grow...I love Harrry Lennox, love Reed Diamond, love Acker, think Dushku can draw viewers...


We'll see.
__________________
Travel's fatal to prejudice, bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can't be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's life.
IndyJones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 08:12 AM   #28
nx1701g
Admiral
 
nx1701g's Avatar
 
Location: Aboard the Executor...
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

Eh at least we had Summer Glau and Eliza Dushku on TV for a few hours.
__________________
Not Dead Yet.
nx1701g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 08:23 AM   #29
Candlelight
Admiral
 
Candlelight's Avatar
 
Location: New Zealand
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I accidentally voted excellent. That was me.

Trust me - reeeeaaaally didn't mean to. Show was very average. Not a "Whedon" show.
__________________
"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."
Candlelight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14 2009, 08:26 AM   #30
hyzmarca
Fleet Captain
 
hyzmarca's Avatar
 
Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I didn't go into this looking for Whedon's "spark" because Whedon's "spark" is witty banter, usually between adults who are pretending to be teenagers. The concept does not lend itself to witty banter, and attempts to do so would be totally inappropriate.

I went into this looking for some light cyberpunk. And in that regard, I was pleasantly surprised. The pilot takes the premise seriously and give it the moral weight it deserves and while the episode itself had clear bad guys, amongst the recurring factions there is nothing but ambiguity at this point.
The action made sense and it used it's premise logically. That's better than most recent network science fiction pilots, such as Bionic Woman and Knight Rider.

I, too, don't remember the names of any of the characters other than Ecco, but that's perfectly alright, I remember their role. You've got the morally ambiguous female CEO, who seems to want to do the right thing. You've got the pragmatic guy. You've got the ex-cop handler with a strong sense of morality and duty. You've got the morally ambiguous tech guy. You've got the FBI guy who wants to bring down Dollhouse. And you've got the escapeewho has no trouble killing people. I'd recognize them, and I want to learn more about them.

The Dollhouse orginization is interesting one wonders whether their actives are victims or vollunteers. They seem to be run by people who actually care about the actives, and who actually want to do the right thing, but the situation itself has some built in moral ambiguity innately.
And then you've got to wonder about the FBI agent. It seems that he actually believes that taking down Dollhouse is the right thing to do, but the thing about Crusaders is that their zeal often blinds them to reality, and leads them in the wrong direction. Dollhouse does a lot of good, it seems, and taking it down would create a void, all of the people that they would have saved will die without them.
And the escapee, was he right to run away, or is he just a poorly programed personality acting irrationally?

It has potential. I can see a great many places it can go from here. But to enjoy it, you have to forget that it's Whedon and pretend that it's loosely based on a Philip K. Dick novel. That'll make you much happer, I promise. I'll let you tollerate the moral ambiguity and the lack of snarky banter.
hyzmarca is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
dollhouse

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:23 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.