Stargazer question - Page 2

William Leisner · February 8 2009, 07:09 AM

shanejayell wrote:

Could Picard have been a XO on a ship BEFORE Stargazer?

It's possible, but it would seem a step backwards to go from first officer to second officer.

nx1701g · February 8 2009, 07:28 AM

I seem to recall in the novel that Picard was being groomed to become the XO of the Stargazer by the Captain, but that wouldn't count.

Memory Beta doesn't list him as having been XO in any noncanon material.

Defcon · February 8 2009, 10:54 AM

William Leisner wrote:

shanejayell wrote:

Could Picard have been a XO on a ship BEFORE Stargazer?

It's possible, but it would seem a step backwards to go from first officer to second officer.

Not necessarily, if he was first officer of a rather small vessel only carrying diplomats around for example, I guess he would count becoming second officer of an exploration ship as a step up and a more fulfilling position.

shanejayell · February 8 2009, 10:59 AM

Or even be XO of a dinky little courier ship. *lol*

Mike Winters · February 8 2009, 08:58 PM

William Leisner wrote:

Wouldn't the first officer, technically speaking, become captain upon the CO's death, regardless of his capacity to carry out that duty? And thus, wouldn't Picard have technically been the ship's second in command, acting in Leach's stead while he was out of commission?

If I remember correctly, the captain was killed and the first officer was severely injured and comatose. I believe that officers who did not agree with Picard wanted to wake the XO (who at that point would have been the Captain) (and I guess Picard would have been his XO) and have him overrule Picard.

Mike

Karnbeln · February 8 2009, 11:43 PM

It would be a contradiction if this was the mirror universe, where people rise in rank upon the death of another. But that isn't necessarily the case here. Even if the second officer died before waking, Picard would only be the ship's captain until they reached a Starfleet base. At that point, Starfleet would assess the situation, including the captaincy. They could very well say, "Well done, my boy!" and leave Picard in command, or they could simply pin a medal on his chest, add the Picard Maneuver to the history books, and assign a new captain awaiting a command to the ship. Apparently, the latter happened (that or the original XO came out of his coma and assumed command at a later date).

Paris · February 9 2009, 03:13 AM

I've read MJF's The Valiant and the first three Stargazer novels. I can't see how Picard could have served as an XO somewhere else before his stint as Stargazer's second officer, as he didn't have enough time; he became the Captain at 27. The suggestion that Picard may have served on some ship where he wasn't doing what he trained for, but was still an XO seems to be out character for him. He was always portrayed as something of a top notch officer and a very promising cadet. He wouldn't be relogated to low level duty. He never seemed like someone who only wanted the rank. He wanted to explore...although he did allude to some incident at the academy when he was talking to Boothby in First Duty...

BryanSorensen · February 9 2009, 03:49 PM

The Stargazer series is filled with things that suggest a lot of people at first didnt think Picard should be in command. That one admiral(i forget his name) was always trying to find things to get Picard out of command. It was kinda like an 80s cartoon show where the bad guy is always trying to win and the good guy seems to slip through everytime. I wish they would continue though cause i was hooked on them when they were all out, but they just sorta ended. I was sad they didnt even get to jack Crusher!

Paris · February 9 2009, 10:00 PM

BryanSorensen wrote:

The Stargazer series is filled with things that suggest a lot of people at first didnt think Picard should be in command. That one admiral(i forget his name) was always trying to find things to get Picard out of command. It was kinda like an 80s cartoon show where the bad guy is always trying to win and the good guy seems to slip through everytime. I wish they would continue though cause i was hooked on them when they were all out, but they just sorta ended. I was sad they didnt even get to jack Crusher!

I believe the last part of the "Double Helix" series that ran through the TNG books (IIRC, #51-56?), was a tale aboard the Stargazer and Jack Crusher has a role in it. Hopefully Pocket Books and MJF get together and do a few more books somewhere down the line...

BryanSorensen · February 10 2009, 10:25 PM

hopefully so, i was so into this series when it came out, i think i re-read them at least 2-3 times. The Buried Age was a great look at the final mission, so how about someone pick up the pieces( i know that there is still a lot of ground to cover) and have some great Stargazer stories!

JD · February 11 2009, 03:31 AM

I know it doesn't completely count, but there is a MU Stargazer story in Shards and Shadows.

LutherSloan · February 11 2009, 09:05 AM

JD wrote:

I know it doesn't completely count, but there is a MU Stargazer story in Shards and Shadows.

Which I found to be the weakest of the 12.

February 8 2009, 07:28 AM	#17
nx1701g Admiral Location: Aboard the Executor...	Re: Stargazer question I seem to recall in the novel that Picard was being groomed to become the XO of the Stargazer by the Captain, but that wouldn't count. Memory Beta doesn't list him as having been XO in any noncanon material. __________________ Star Trek: The Continuing Voyages RPG - Recruiting New Players! The Terminator Chronicles - The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continue! Not Dead Yet.

February 8 2009, 10:59 AM	#19
shanejayell Captain Location: BC, Canada	Re: Stargazer question Or even be XO of a dinky little courier ship. lol

February 8 2009, 11:43 PM	#21
Karnbeln Lieutenant Commander	Re: Stargazer question It would be a contradiction if this was the mirror universe, where people rise in rank upon the death of another. But that isn't necessarily the case here. Even if the second officer died before waking, Picard would only be the ship's captain until they reached a Starfleet base. At that point, Starfleet would assess the situation, including the captaincy. They could very well say, "Well done, my boy!" and leave Picard in command, or they could simply pin a medal on his chest, add the Picard Maneuver to the history books, and assign a new captain awaiting a command to the ship. Apparently, the latter happened (that or the original XO came out of his coma and assumed command at a later date).

February 9 2009, 03:13 AM	#22
Paris Fleet Captain Location: on the Enterprise	Re: Stargazer question I've read MJF's The Valiant and the first three Stargazer novels. I can't see how Picard could have served as an XO somewhere else before his stint as Stargazer's second officer, as he didn't have enough time; he became the Captain at 27. The suggestion that Picard may have served on some ship where he wasn't doing what he trained for, but was still an XO seems to be out character for him. He was always portrayed as something of a top notch officer and a very promising cadet. He wouldn't be relogated to low level duty. He never seemed like someone who only wanted the rank. He wanted to explore...although he did allude to some incident at the academy when he was talking to Boothby in First Duty...

February 9 2009, 03:49 PM	#23
BryanSorensen Lieutenant Commander Location: Michigan	Re: Stargazer question The Stargazer series is filled with things that suggest a lot of people at first didnt think Picard should be in command. That one admiral(i forget his name) was always trying to find things to get Picard out of command. It was kinda like an 80s cartoon show where the bad guy is always trying to win and the good guy seems to slip through everytime. I wish they would continue though cause i was hooked on them when they were all out, but they just sorta ended. I was sad they didnt even get to jack Crusher!

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February 10 2009, 10:25 PM	#25
BryanSorensen Lieutenant Commander Location: Michigan	Re: Stargazer question hopefully so, i was so into this series when it came out, i think i re-read them at least 2-3 times. The Buried Age was a great look at the final mission, so how about someone pick up the pieces( i know that there is still a lot of ground to cover) and have some great Stargazer stories!

February 11 2009, 03:31 AM	#26
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: Stargazer question I know it doesn't completely count, but there is a MU Stargazer story in Shards and Shadows. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)