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Old February 10 2009, 04:07 AM   #46
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

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It looks like next week, we get another famous Jack line, "get on your knees NOW"
BTW... good to have you here in the thread. Stop by and post more often!
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Old February 10 2009, 04:12 AM   #47
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

Thanks to Obama's thing running a few minutes over, my DVR cut off the end. (I was only watching about 10 minutes behind real time, but.....)

Did anything significant happen after Taylor was shot?

The male FBI computer guy continues to get creepier.
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Old February 10 2009, 04:26 AM   #48
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Thanks to Obama's thing running a few minutes over, my DVR cut off the end. (I was only watching about 10 minutes behind real time, but.....)

Did anything significant happen after Taylor was shot?

The male FBI computer guy continues to get creepier.
No, Jack called for a medic and we got the final count down. No split screen to the stinger.
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Old February 10 2009, 04:34 AM   #49
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I forget... the clock wasn't silent, was it?
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Old February 10 2009, 04:56 AM   #50
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

*waves* I watched, but my laptop couldn't connect to the internet tonight for some reason. I'm on my old computer now...I hate missing out on running commentaries!

That was pretty good- poor Agent Red thinks she's a "monster" now.
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Old February 10 2009, 07:45 AM   #51
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 3:00PM - 4:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

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TELL 'EM JACK!!!!

"When are you gonna realize they aren't playing by your rules."

So help me I'm feeling a little bit of sympathy for Moss.
The bad guys never play by the rules even in real life.

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Really do feel sorry for Agent Red here. She's good, but you have to wonder how much field experience she's had.
I'd like to give her some "field experience" .
As would i as well as the blonde one back at the office.

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Okay, the sister's dead.
Yep, pushed down a flight of stairs an made to look like an accident

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I forget... the clock wasn't silent, was it?
No it wasnt
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Old February 10 2009, 08:48 AM   #52
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OK, I have a few comments about this episode.

1. Could the writers be any more obvious of their political views lately? It seems worse than in past seasons. They seem to be going out of their way to make characters on the show who abhor torture seem weak or out of touch (Moss).

2. What was Agent Red doing to the baby? It was obscured the whole time. I hope to God that she wasn't going anything beyond faking some violence. I'm glad that at least this time, she showed a lot of remorse for what she did.

3. I'm glad that in this episode we at least had an explanation for the end of last week's episode, when it seemed like the introduction of Dubaku's girlfriend was a total waste of film.

4. Am I the only one here (I doubt it) who just doesn't find Dubaku very menacing? Now that he has no real weapon against the US anymore, why isn't he dead yet? Compared to some of the past '24' villains, even the lesser ones, Dubaku has to rank pretty low. He seemed far more brutal in '24: Redemption'. Maybe he liked America a little more than he expected?

5. I guess they've written off the DOJ investigation of not only Red (who is still presumed dead), but Gold too?
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Old February 10 2009, 12:17 PM   #53
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Somebody must have been waxing that floor for Jack to slide in like that.
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Old February 10 2009, 12:37 PM   #54
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Jack keeps a very slippery ass.
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Old February 10 2009, 01:26 PM   #55
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1. Could the writers be any more obvious of their political views lately? It seems worse than in past seasons. They seem to be going out of their way to make characters on the show who abhor torture seem weak or out of touch (Moss).
I don't know what they're trying to achieve. At first I thought they were going to change things up a bit with Jack seemingly feeling remorse for some of his actions in 'Redemption' (guess not when he got to the States) and with the multiple discussions on the ethics of torture at the start of the season. Then they had Agent Red go from being totally opposed to it to becoming Olivier in 'Marathon Man' all of a sudden.

I'm fully cognizant of the difference between onscreen torture and how I would feel about it in real life. I can still root for Jack and get a visceral appeal out of the bad guys getting punished even though I would find Jack to be a monster and his methods abhorrent in real life. But it just seems to be a FU from the producers to those concerned about the torture issues (weren't their protests from the Red Cross or some veterans groups about it before?) with the way they're going about this season by not just showing torture, but depicting those who have principles and oppose it as worthless bureaucratic pussies who don't get how the world works or people willing to turn on those principles the moment things get tough.

2. What was Agent Red doing to the baby? It was obscured the whole time. I hope to God that she wasn't going anything beyond faking some violence. I'm glad that at least this time, she showed a lot of remorse for what she did.
I thought she was faking it at first too, but her reaction to it and the fact that they kept showing her arms moving as the baby's cries got louder leads me to believe she was doing something to the baby like twisting its arm severely.

If so, than I don't care what their justification is, she is a monster, and so is Jack for ordering her to do it. At least she's aware of it, though. I wonder if she's going to kill herself at the end, leading to more Jack angst.

3. I'm glad that in this episode we at least had an explanation for the end of last week's episode, when it seemed like the introduction of Dubaku's girlfriend was a total waste of film.

4. Am I the only one here (I doubt it) who just doesn't find Dubaku very menacing? Now that he has no real weapon against the US anymore, why isn't he dead yet? Compared to some of the past '24' villains, even the lesser ones, Dubaku has to rank pretty low. He seemed far more brutal in '24: Redemption'. Maybe he liked America a little more than he expected?
It's funny you should say that, because I posted this on my forum after last week's episode:
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I was a lot less impressed with Dbaku at the end when he doesn't even have a car and has to take the train home to his pleasantly decorated evil one-bedroom apartment lair and his master plan was nearly foiled by dinner with his girlfriend. What is he, the George Costanza of terrorism? I started singing "My baby takes the morning train, he works from 9 to 5 and then, he blows up half of Oregon..."

Marwan would never have these kinds of problems. That's Busch League terrorism right there.

It was just a major shift from him having a proper evil lair that looked like a Borg Cube, a McGuffin device hooked into every potentially dangerous thing in the country, and Wolverine-like healing powers after standing directly over a landmine explosion. Then all of a sudden it turned into a slightly evil episode of 'The Jeffersons.'

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Seriously though, can't he put the booty calls that are going to go nowhere once she finds out who he really is on the back-burner and focus on destroying this country like a proper villian?

I can't take him seriously as a bad guy every time he has to lie to his girlfriend about why he won't make it home in time for lasagna. I mean, maybe bin Laden has to lie every time his girlfriend bitches at him for not taking the trash out of the cave while he's planning his next attack, but I don't have to hear about it, so he's still somewhat menacing, dialysis machine notwithstanding.

I was relieved to see that often strained Black relations with Korean grocers had improved to the point where they'd conduct terrorism together though. It really warms the heart to see such a rainbow coalition of evil.

That was the mother of all product placements in the store too. Jack stood in front of about twenty five different cases of real beers (bastards shot a case of Pacifico) and Agent Red stood in front of the toilet paper section (2-ply for added protection again bullets).

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Somebody must have been waxing that floor for Jack to slide in like that.
Jack Bauer doesn't slide on floors, the floors recoil in fear from Jack Bauer and he just goes along for the ride.
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I don't get to watch them live, but I did like it a lot... nice to see Scully so conflicted about the dirty work and also nice to see Harvey Dent onboard for however long he lasts.
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Old February 10 2009, 08:54 PM   #57
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For a compromised White House, they sure put together a bunch of willing participants who weren't bad guys really quick.

When they find out Jon Voight is the bad guy, he'll have a surprise waiting for them when he summons Megatron.
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Old February 10 2009, 09:13 PM   #58
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I was a lot less impressed with Dbaku at the end when he doesn't even have a car and has to take the train home to his pleasantly decorated evil one-bedroom apartment lair and his master plan was nearly foiled by dinner with his girlfriend. What is he, the George Costanza of terrorism?
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Old February 10 2009, 11:13 PM   #59
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I didn't get the impression that Rene was actually doing anything to the baby. Simply by hiding the mother from the baby's view, she caused him to panic and the mother's anxiety spiked with imagined horribleness.

As for the show's politics, Jack has admitted the shit he does is heinous, but he doesn't appologize for having to do any of it. He does what he does to save American lives and so other people don't have to do what he does. Moss' POV works most of the time, but when you get to the bleeding edge of life and death, ticking timebomb shit against the worst scum of the Earth, Jack Bauer has to step in and start fucking people's shit up.

Whether you believe that or not, the show makers are obviously putting it forward. Just because "We Can" and change is here doesn't mean fictional entertainment like 24 has to fall into lockstep behind left-leaning ideologies.

And Jack's life is shown to suck ass. His friends are all dead (some by his own hand), rogues or broken, his family's been destroyed and any chance at a normal relationship consistently torpedoed. He violates laws and rights when he sees the need, but isn't exactly profiting from the practice. While watching him may be for us, being Jack Bauer isn't cool or fun for him.
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Old February 10 2009, 11:39 PM   #60
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[QUOTE=Base_Delta_Zero;2598074]I didn't get the impression that Rene was actually doing anything to the baby. Simply by hiding the mother from the baby's view, she caused him to panic and the mother's anxiety spiked with imagined horribleness.[/url]That's the way I took. It's the unerring ability of the human mind to conjure up what is most terrible, far more effective than anything evildoers might really do, ala "Jaws" or "Alien".
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