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Old February 10 2009, 04:46 AM   #31
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Re: Nimoy, Quinto - Spock Comparison

He's a better physical match than any of the other actors cast in the movie - much better, in fact. For the others, it's going to take more suspension of disbelief.

And a LOT of it will be in the acting - comparing still photos is pointless. These are actors, not mannequins. Quinto's job is to convince us he is Spock, regardless of his looks. In his case, his looks give him a lot of help, but he's still got to pull it off via talent.

Which is another way of saying, why don't we just wait to see the movie before jumping all over things, oh hell, who am I kidding?

And Quinto is a close enough match that I was on this very BBS, promoting him as a great candidate for a young Spock, before I even knew there was a prequel movie in the works. Maybe I'm psychic, but my inability to pick winning lottery numbers tells me otherwise. The only other conclusion is that, yes, Quinto is a positively eerie match for Nimoy.
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Old February 10 2009, 04:56 AM   #32
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Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
These are actors, not mannequins.
See, that's something I'm not so sure of...
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Old February 10 2009, 05:05 AM   #33
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Re: Nimoy, Quinto - Spock Comparison

for people who don't think Quinto or Pine (or anyone else, for that matter) aren't good matches for Spock and Kirk, I urge you to watch Oliver Stone's Nixon (in which Anthony Hopkins plays the title role). it's all in the acting and, at this point, I'm spending my time hoping that Pine and Quinto do well on that score more than anything else.
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Old February 10 2009, 10:53 AM   #34
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for people who don't think Quinto or Pine (or anyone else, for that matter) aren't good matches for Spock and Kirk, I urge you to watch Oliver Stone's Nixon (in which Anthony Hopkins plays the title role). it's all in the acting and, at this point, I'm spending my time hoping that Pine and Quinto do well on that score more than anything else.
You would compare Quinto or Pine to Anthony Hopkins? Is this a joke? Anthony Hopkins is a classically trained, acadamy award winning actor who plays in a very different league to these two newbies and always has done. To my knowledge neither Quinto nor Pine have ever really played a demanding or distinguishing role in their life. They are totally untested. Some people gush over these actors as if they were the bees knees. However, I just cannot see what's so special about them? For crying out loud, they could have had Matt Damon for Kirk. An opportunity they tossed out the window. For what? Because he's a few years older than when Kirk first made captain? Ludicrous.
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Old February 10 2009, 11:07 AM   #35
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Re: Nimoy, Quinto - Spock Comparison

I think, physically, Quinto works just fine as Spock. In fact, as far as looks go, he is an inspired choice.

Acting is a different matter entirely though. One of the great things about Nimoy as Spock is that he always totally sold the role. Even in the most silly and ridiculuous episodes, Spock was consistent. He was a rock. He reacted to every situation in the way that the most composed and dignified Vulcan would. Nimoy was a fucking incredible artist, I don't care what anyone says.

I think the new movie's success(in the mind of me, FWIW) depends far more on Quinto's performance than anyone else in the cast. I sincerely hope he's up to the challenge.
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Old February 10 2009, 11:21 AM   #36
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All this talk about how inaccurate Quinto is as Nimoy, and yet no one has mentioned the precedence of how this guy doesn't look like this guy.
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Old February 10 2009, 11:42 AM   #37
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Here's Nimoy at about 21 years old, about the same as Quinto was when the movie was being made. Not 100% on the exact year of the second pic.



They both got weird lookin' ears even before the makeup.
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Old February 10 2009, 12:05 PM   #38
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You know i have a feeling that if a clone of the young Nimoy as seen below was cast in the place of Quinto, there would be lots of whining about how he looks wrong for the part and not much like the serious, dignified with authoritative voice Spock we know.


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Here's Nimoy at about 21 years old, about the same as Quinto was when the movie was being made. Not 100% on the exact year of the second pic.



They both got weird lookin' ears even before the makeup.
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Old February 10 2009, 12:16 PM   #39
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for people who don't think Quinto or Pine (or anyone else, for that matter) aren't good matches for Spock and Kirk, I urge you to watch Oliver Stone's Nixon (in which Anthony Hopkins plays the title role). it's all in the acting and, at this point, I'm spending my time hoping that Pine and Quinto do well on that score more than anything else.
You would compare Quinto or Pine to Anthony Hopkins? Is this a joke?
And I believe you totally missed the point intranee was making.

Intranee, as far as i understood, was not comparing Quinto with Hopkins acting wise. Not even close.

The point was that Hopkins' appearance match with the real Nixon was irrelevant because he managed through his acting to nail the part and make any superficial inaccuracies irrelevant.

In the same manner, any sort of appearance dissimilarities of Quinto and Pine with the TOS stars will be rendered irrelevant, if they manage through their acting to convince us that they are Kirk and Spock or rather their young versions).
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Re: Nimoy, Quinto - Spock Comparison

for people who don't think Quinto or Pine (or anyone else, for that matter) aren't good matches for Spock and Kirk, I urge you to watch Oliver Stone's Nixon (in which Anthony Hopkins plays the title role). it's all in the acting and, at this point, I'm spending my time hoping that Pine and Quinto do well on that score more than anything else.




You would compare Quinto or Pine to Anthony Hopkins?

....erm, he's comparing how Hopkins didn;t look exactly liek the role he was portraying, but was convincing through his acting of that role. He's simply saying that someone just eneds to act the role convincingly.
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Old February 10 2009, 12:17 PM   #41
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Re: Nimoy, Quinto - Spock Comparison

...and we post at the same time...
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Old February 10 2009, 12:22 PM   #42
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Here's Nimoy at about 21 years old, about the same as Quinto was when the movie was being made. Not 100% on the exact year of the second pic.
When the movie was made Quinto was 31(!) not 21. When Nimoy was first cast for Star Trek he was 34. This is a mere 3 year difference which is clearly not significant. The fact that people whould assume Quinto is this much younger says a lot.
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Old February 10 2009, 12:26 PM   #43
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....erm, he's comparing how Hopkins didn;t look exactly liek the role he was portraying, but was convincing through his acting of that role. He's simply saying that someone just eneds to act the role convincingly.
What you are neglecting here is that Anthony Hopkins had the acting scope that allowed him to do this (something that Lawrence Olivier identified in this actor even at the beginning of his career). Where is the evidence that either Quinto or Pine have anything comparable? Short answer: there is none!
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Old February 10 2009, 12:36 PM   #44
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....erm, he's comparing how Hopkins didn;t look exactly liek the role he was portraying, but was convincing through his acting of that role. He's simply saying that someone just eneds to act the role convincingly.
What you are neglecting here is that Anthony Hopkins had the acting scope that allowed him to do this (something that Lawrence Olivier identified in this actor even at the beginning of his career). Where is the evidence that either Quinto or Pine have anything comparable? Short answer: there is none!
Noone is neglecting anything. They are two young actors, at the beginning of their career.
Before we condemn them, lets see how they will do at their parts in Trek XI and in other future parts.

They don't need to be Anthony Hopkins level of age and ability to pull of Kirk and Spock in any case.
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considering Shat's acting ability as Kirk doesn't require tremendous skill to convey to begin with...
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