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Old February 1 2009, 09:02 AM   #91
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Re: Ms. Marvel - SPOILERS

"We are going to see the death of Ms. Marvel and it's going to great."

I highly doubt Carol is going to die. For a writer to state, months ahead of time, that the main character of a book is going to die and be replaced......it's a gimmick. We might see a Mrs Marvel die....but it won't be Carol. If in fact she does die and Quesada authorized Reed to state as much as he did, then he's a bigger idiot then I thought he was.....

But I, for one, think the interview he gave is a red herring and there's something else afoot.
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Old February 1 2009, 09:42 AM   #92
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Well iniative is on the gag. it seems that carol did give her old costume to Ultra girl after all, but Osborns lawyers just enjoined her from wearing it. When did Ultra get that costume? She looked great. but then, that's the nature of cosplay, that anyone looks "the same" when being enhanced by the same costume... o Ultra is going to kick Moonstones ass?

That Uniform is standard Kree Military issue right? That kinda means that no humans can really hold the rights to it? Silly Norman.

No one knows who Ms Marvel is. They had to do a press release this early to build momentum, because no one most certainly knows who Moonstone is tenfold more so than Carol.

Carol will come back, but we'll think she's dead for a coulpe months... but then if the book sells better with Moonstone in the title role? maybe the marketing people will veto Carols return?
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Old February 1 2009, 11:07 AM   #93
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Oh, I can certainly see them announcing that Moonstone would be taking over the title; but the question is: If Carol is well and truly dead (which I HIGHLY doubt) will people who read the title for her give a rat's ass enough to read it if she's NOT in the book? I really don't forsee the title selling better without her in it; I can forsee the sales numbers falling without her in the book. Remember what happened when Marvel tried to say that Ben eily was the real Spider-Man and Peter Parker was the clone?
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Old February 1 2009, 11:10 AM   #94
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I think it's fair to say that I'm one of Ms. Marvel's biggest fans here and I won't buy a "Ms. Marvstone" book.

The book gets dropped if she dies for real.
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Old February 1 2009, 12:50 PM   #95
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Carol Danvers is a classic Marvel character who has been around for decades and, despite her lower profile, killing her is as ridiculous as killing Janet van Dyne. I'll just sit back and wait for the "nu" generation to pass into the dustbin of history, hopefully to be replaced by a generation with actual class and standards.
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Old February 1 2009, 06:49 PM   #96
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The nu generation of readers? Or the nu generation or writers?

Half way through this bullshit, Dark Reign needs to be spitting out a book called "Norman Osborn clubs Puppies." But that's already effectively Thunderbolts anyway, ad now Dark Avengers too since he's also the Iron Patriot. They are planning on making enough buzz that there will be a new demand for these characters, and maybe there even will.

Did Bendis call Reed a pussy for only writing one book a month? Bendis writes 12, so he can call anyone out there fussing to only write one book a tiny kitten playing with yarn as much as he wont to... What are the odds of Carol spinning off into a new bookalso written by Brian Reed? karla's just picking up the husk of her sloppy seconds. That's less insulting right? Binary is a shit name, it screams computers more than a type of star system where she got her powers... Although I thought she got her powers from a white hole? Warbird is horrendous too. Novah needs to die or wander off and Carol becomes Captain Marvel.
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Old February 1 2009, 07:04 PM   #97
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Or he just gets demoted back to Marvel Boy.
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Old February 1 2009, 08:05 PM   #98
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RJDiogenes wrote: View Post
Carol Danvers is a classic Marvel character who has been around for decades and, despite her lower profile, killing her is as ridiculous as killing Janet van Dyne.
IMHO, killing major superheroes (or even most B-list superheroes) is always a huge mistake by publishers. The rewards are always short-lived.

DC killed Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) and paid for it when his successor failed to catch on. Bringing Ollie back was then handled in the clumsiest fashion by the inexperienced writer Kevin Smith.

Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) never should have turned into Parallax. Later, when Hal was killed, merging him with The Spectre turned out to be as good a match as turkey gravy on ice cream.

As for Barry Allen, I'm sure there has been plenty of collective regret (among both fans and comics professionals) that he was killed off in Crisis On Infinite Earths. I am thankful for his return. And no one's saying that Wally West wasn't a great successor.

I'm hoping there's some sort of escape hatch that will allow Ted Kord (Blue Beetle) to come back.

As for Carol Danvers, I'm with you guys. She better not be dead.
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Old February 1 2009, 08:11 PM   #99
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The thing about Barry, is that his book had already been canceled before Crisis started, so there was nothing for him to live for any ways.
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Old February 1 2009, 09:13 PM   #100
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The nu generation of readers? Or the nu generation or writers?
Both. They wouldn't be churning out this crap if people weren't reading, watching and drooling over it.

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IMHO, killing major superheroes (or even most B-list superheroes) is always a huge mistake by publishers. The rewards are always short-lived.
I'm sure it's possible for it to be done well, but for the most part it's stupid.
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Old February 1 2009, 09:34 PM   #101
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You have to be able to kill heroes, though. They can't save the day every single time. Of course resurrecting them right afterward is a problem! Like with Barry Allen... he's been dead since 1986? What percentage of current comic readers were reading comic books back in 1986, 23 years ago? I know the industry is increasingly catering to older fans rather than teenagers but wow. I'm not familiar with the character but what about him is so amazingly unique from Wally or Bart? I'm not a Flash reader so I honestly don't know, I'm not being catty
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Old February 2 2009, 12:59 AM   #102
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It's the 20 years of everyone saying that he was great, or that they would never live up to his example.

Totally the hype.

His death made him.

Although it was Barry in the short lived TV show, which pissed me off at the time.
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Old February 23 2009, 03:21 PM   #103
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Resurrecting this thread with some interesting spoilers from the solits for May.



Looks bad, but then look at the cover for New Avengers #53.



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Old February 23 2009, 05:31 PM   #104
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I seriously doubt that she is dead. Dark Reign is about replacing heroes with their 'darker' counter-parts. I'm sure the next 'big-event' will be Nick Fury and the other heroes taking back SHIELD (or whatever Osborn renamed it as) and kicking the bums out. I feel pretty sure that the next event will be the return of Captain America (it could still be Bucky, but he will do more classic Cap stuff).
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Old February 23 2009, 05:34 PM   #105
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^Yeah, I can see that given...

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