TNG remastered

cybersoldier · January 30 2009, 06:29 PM

With Star Trek remastered coming soon to blu-ray next year and the new Trek film and TNG going back to syndication. When do you think TNG will start getting the remastered treatment?

DGCatAniSiri · January 30 2009, 10:38 PM

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are. Yes, they're not the CGI 'masterpieces' of today, but they're still high-quality work - I think a lot of what they did with pratical models matches what we do with the CGI ones.

Josh Kelton · January 30 2009, 11:01 PM

DGCatAniSiri wrote:

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are.

And the fact they've said it would be more difficult than TOS since effects were done on video, rather than film.

darkwing_duck1 · January 30 2009, 11:16 PM

Josh Kelton wrote:

DGCatAniSiri wrote:

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are.

And the fact they've said it would be more difficult than TOS since effects were done on video, rather than film.

Worse...the OUTPUT was to video, meaning the film masters of the LA footage are also gone.

trevanian · January 31 2009, 01:17 AM

darkwing_duck1 wrote:

Josh Kelton wrote:

DGCatAniSiri wrote:

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are.

And the fact they've said it would be more difficult than TOS since effects were done on video, rather than film.

Worse...the OUTPUT was to video, meaning the film masters of the LA footage are also gone.

They should have been archived, tossing the live-action makes no sense, but then again this is Paramount, who wouldn't pay to keep the vfx elements from TMP so they all got tossed from EEG and Apogee in the early 80s.

I'd figure the live-action film elements would have been archived along with the miniature film elements, but again ... this is paramount.

Lyon_Wonder · January 31 2009, 05:29 AM

trevanian wrote:

darkwing_duck1 wrote:

Josh Kelton wrote:

And the fact they've said it would be more difficult than TOS since effects were done on video, rather than film.

Worse...the OUTPUT was to video, meaning the film masters of the LA footage are also gone.

They should have been archived, tossing the live-action makes no sense, but then again this is Paramount, who wouldn't pay to keep the vfx elements from TMP so they all got tossed from EEG and Apogee in the early 80s.

I'd figure the live-action film elements would have been archived along with the miniature film elements, but again ... this is paramount.

At least they aren't like what BBC did to their film archives in the 60s and 70s.

Dukhat · January 31 2009, 06:02 AM

It is extremely unlikely that TNG is going to be remastered. They've already stated that the costs to have it done would far outweigh the returns, so it's not viable for them to do it. And quite frankly, there's only a few TNG episodes that it would benefit from anyway, so there's no point in doing it to begin with.

darkshadow0001 · January 31 2009, 06:15 AM

DGCatAniSiri wrote:

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are. Yes, they're not the CGI 'masterpieces' of today, but they're still high-quality work - I think a lot of what they did with pratical models matches what we do with the CGI ones.

Exactly. I think films are relying on CGI way to much nowadays. CGI is good for say, Disney films or any other kind of anime films, but I wish they would use more "real" effects like they used to back in the day instead of using CGI. With CGI, a lot of times you can tell the scene or object is fake. With some real effects, at least in modern times, some things look more real in a movie when it is a prop or some other type of special effects.

Star Treks · February 1 2009, 01:14 AM

I see no compelling reason to do a TNG remastered, at least not the kind of thing where you actually re-do shots or effects. Perhaps at some point a total cleanup and revitalization of the prints or whatever but ... content wise, it stand up perfectly well 98% of the time.

cybersoldier · February 1 2009, 07:02 AM

Dukhat wrote:

It is extremely unlikely that TNG is going to be remastered. They've already stated that the costs to have it done would far outweigh the returns, so it's not viable for them to do it. And quite frankly, there's only a few TNG episodes that it would benefit from anyway, so there's no point in doing it to begin with.

Agree, I would like perhaps a remastered version with Cause and Effect, Best of Both Worlds, Q who? Aquiel- the alien at the end. If I say the only if I had to choose to redo would just be the ship shots at least the ones with ship to ship battles. I love TNG, I would just hate to see this series no to get the same or similar treatment like TOS

flightmech73 · February 1 2009, 06:30 PM

darkshadow0001 wrote:

DGCatAniSiri wrote:

I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are. Yes, they're not the CGI 'masterpieces' of today, but they're still high-quality work - I think a lot of what they did with pratical models matches what we do with the CGI ones.

Exactly. I think films are relying on CGI way to much nowadays. CGI is good for say, Disney films or any other kind of anime films, but I wish they would use more "real" effects like they used to back in the day instead of using CGI. With CGI, a lot of times you can tell the scene or object is fake. With some real effects, at least in modern times, some things look more real in a movie when it is a prop or some other type of special effects.

I agree completely. I think half the reason I couldn't get into Babylon 5 is the cheezie CG. When the ships blew up there were smooth shapes slowly moving around in an unnatural way. When you use a real model with real explosives It brings it to life. Like when the Ent. D was stuck in time reliving Dr Frasier Cranes

miranda class hitting the nessel then blowing up. Man ya cant CG that any better. It was perfect.

Dukhat · February 1 2009, 07:01 PM

cybersoldier wrote:

Dukhat wrote:

It is extremely unlikely that TNG is going to be remastered. They've already stated that the costs to have it done would far outweigh the returns, so it's not viable for them to do it. And quite frankly, there's only a few TNG episodes that it would benefit from anyway, so there's no point in doing it to begin with.

Agree, I would like perhaps a remastered version with Cause and Effect, Best of Both Worlds, Q who? Aquiel- the alien at the end. If I say the only if I had to choose to redo would just be the ship shots at least the ones with ship to ship battles. I love TNG, I would just hate to see this series no to get the same or similar treatment like TOS

There are only three episodes I'd like to see remastered: BoBW, Unification, and Redemption, because those were the episodes that had the most amount of ships in a scene. I could care less about anything else.

QuasarVM · February 1 2009, 07:23 PM

I don't see any reason to remaster TNG...

I'd rather see the money go into re-vizing/remastering the effects in Star Trek V -- under Shatner's supervision.

cybersoldier · February 2 2009, 12:29 AM

QuasarVM wrote:

I don't see any reason to remaster TNG...

I'd rather see the money go into re-vizing/remastering the effects in Star Trek V -- under Shatner's supervision.

Insurrection's sfx have a better shot of being redone, Star Trek V, shatner wanted to do a lot and with the reboot, I doubt it would happen with either, but it might be interesting to see to see how it would look if shatner got to the money to do what he wanted. The question would be if he doesn't go over budget again.

QuasarVM · February 2 2009, 12:47 AM

cybersoldier wrote:

QuasarVM wrote:

I don't see any reason to remaster TNG...

I'd rather see the money go into re-vizing/remastering the effects in Star Trek V -- under Shatner's supervision.

Insurrection's sfx have a better shot of being redone, Star Trek V, shatner wanted to do a lot and with the reboot, I doubt it would happen with either, but it might be interesting to see to see how it would look if shatner got to the money to do what he wanted. The question would be if he doesn't go over budget again.

It would require a much bigger budget than TMP did...simply because -- IMHO -- EVERY shot would have to be replaced and the rockman sequence would have to be created...

January 30 2009, 06:29 PM	#1
cybersoldier Commander Location: NYC	TNG remastered With Star Trek remastered coming soon to blu-ray next year and the new Trek film and TNG going back to syndication. When do you think TNG will start getting the remastered treatment?

January 30 2009, 10:38 PM	#2
DGCatAniSiri Captain	Re: TNG remastered I think TNG's effects are perfectly fine as they are. Yes, they're not the CGI 'masterpieces' of today, but they're still high-quality work - I think a lot of what they did with pratical models matches what we do with the CGI ones.

January 31 2009, 06:02 AM	#7
Dukhat Commodore Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: TNG remastered It is extremely unlikely that TNG is going to be remastered. They've already stated that the costs to have it done would far outweigh the returns, so it's not viable for them to do it. And quite frankly, there's only a few TNG episodes that it would benefit from anyway, so there's no point in doing it to begin with. __________________ I never make mistrakes.

February 1 2009, 01:14 AM	#9
Star Treks Fleet Captain Location: California	Re: TNG remastered I see no compelling reason to do a TNG remastered, at least not the kind of thing where you actually re-do shots or effects. Perhaps at some point a total cleanup and revitalization of the prints or whatever but ... content wise, it stand up perfectly well 98% of the time. __________________ "Every time we let ourselves believe for unworthy reasons, we weakon our powers of self-control, of doubting, of judicially and fairly weighing evidence." - W.K. Clifford, The Ethics of Belief

February 1 2009, 07:23 PM	#13
QuasarVM Fleet Captain	Re: TNG remastered I don't see any reason to remaster TNG... I'd rather see the money go into re-vizing/remastering the effects in Star Trek V -- under Shatner's supervision.

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