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Old January 30 2009, 12:09 AM   #76
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Re: Lost 5x03: "Jughead"

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-What is the hierarchy of the Others?

We can assume it goes Jacob=>Current leader (For example: Ben, Locke). But where does Richard fit into this Hierarchy? It looks like he is the leader back in 1954, but is he? An if he is, why isn't he the leader later on?
Damon and Carlton have said that Richard is kind of the Panchen Lama (Wiki it. I had to) of the Others. Meaning, he's kind of the Number 2 for life and he's responsible for choosing the actual leader with Jacob's guidance.

As to what's going on in 1954, I'd say the actual leader was off elsewhere or they were going through a period where there wasn't one. In either case, Richard would be the go-to guy.

-How did the US military get on and off the Island without apparent problems?

To find, report back, transport a nuke and build a test site the military would have to keep going on and off the island. How could they do that? Did the "barrier" around the island not exist back in the 1950's? Is it something new that the Others created after this military incursion? Is there a military fleet off the cost of the island in the 1950's (They would never transport a nuke back then without major military security)? What does the US military know currently (in 2004) about the Island?
There's really no evidence that any US personnel ever left the island. Richard killed them all. So how do a bunch of army guys end up there with a nuke? Perhaps some ship or aircraft was bound elsewhere and wrecked upon the island, Rousseau or 815 style.

I'm very much of the feeling that the island's always been hard to find and also to leave. After all, Richard in 1954 said how to leave the island is privileged information. Getting on a ship and sailing off isn't exactly classified material.

-How much power/influence do the Others have off the Island?

We know Richard was back on the mainland as early as 1956 (to witness John's birth). A few years later he tells John's mom he runs a school for special kids. We also know they run a somewhat known major company (Mitland biotech). They have agents in lots of places and send agents on missions off the island. Why do they do all of this? What is their agenda beyond protecting the island? How many Others are there on and off the island? There must be a whole lot of them if they can be doing all of this.
No discrepancies here with the questions I'm asking. If the Island is the be-all-and-end-all for the Others, why bother with stuff in the real world? We'll find out in good time I'm sure.
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Old January 30 2009, 12:27 AM   #77
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Re: Lost 5x03: "Jughead"

Fantastic episode. Much better than last week's two-episode opener. Of course it helped that there was no Jack and Kate and focused greatly on Desmond and Locke.

During this episode, I began wondering if there was any pattern to the time shifts, especially considering there hadn't been one for awhile (until the end of the episode, of course). I don't expect a solid explanation (and I expect it to be mostly arbitrary), but I do hope it'll be addressed on some level.

Speaking of time traveling and addressing important questions, I was VERY happy when Penny asked Desmond why he suddenly remembered the memory of Faraday at that moment in their personal timelines. Considering they brought up this question, I really hope it's something they will address at length later on because that's something that can be very confusing, even for a Doctor Who fan like myself (where personal timelines are often quite confusing).

I fully expect Faraday and company to suddenly zap back to the time period where Richard and Ellie are because Faraday didn't fix the bomb (and as he said, the Island is still there 50 years later). Speaking of Faraday, it seems likely he worked for DHARMA at some point in his past (and I previously just assumed that he was just with the other Losties when he passed Pierre Chang in the mine shaft), but I also don't think he was always with them, i.e. he has time traveled through the Island before and was with the DHARMA folks for only short period of time. I don't think he's really old like Richard thanks to the Island's healing effects if for no other reason than I feel like that his personality is one that developed now as oppose to in the 50's or 70's, either with the US military or DHARMA.

Two tidbits that I loved:

Desmond and Penny named their child Charlie! I really should have seen that coming considering I noticed the deliberately avoided naming the kid when we first saw him. Great tribute to a missed character.

Young Charles Widmore! So he was one of the Others/Hostiles and at some point he was forced off the Island or kept away. I'm guessing there was some kind of power struggle between him and Richard and Richard has the means of kicking off the Island. Considering how old he is "now," I can understand why he's such a bitter old man about the whole Island business. More than ever, I can't help but wonder who Penny's mother is (hm...and whether Penny was born on the Island).

While Rebecca Mader is hot, I'm not all that upset that Charlotte has died because her character has been mostly pointless. She has been almost entirely defined as the women Faraday loved. We never found out why she was looking for polar bears in Tunisa.

I'm convinced more than ever by the face that Desmond is heading to L.A. that Mrs. Hawking is indeed Faraday's mother. However, I'm worried for Penny's sake because Ben and his blood vow against Widmore is also there.

Lastly, I momentarily expected Ellie to be Danielle. But who knows...maybe she is...
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Old January 30 2009, 12:27 AM   #78
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Holy crap! The actress who plays Young Ellie Hawking was born in 1990! She's only 18?! I thought she was in her 20s or even early 30s.
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She sure is. It was kind of hard to picture such an adorable young woman holding that rifle and acting a total badass. She pulled it off, though. Good actress.
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Old January 30 2009, 12:30 AM   #79
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So the episode title and the bomb are called Jughead. Then on Life on Mars, they mention Archie and Jughead.

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Old January 30 2009, 12:32 AM   #80
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Lastly, I momentarily expected Ellie to be Danielle. But who knows...maybe she is...
Anything's possible, I'll readily admit. But I think we've got Ellie nailed down. I watched the episode again today after having read Mr Light's business last night about "The Lie" Enhanced and the way the actress portrays Ellie practically screams Fionnula Flannigan.

Oh, and good to see ya, Meh. Did I miss you in the fallout from last week? Wouldn't be a Lost season without your zany theories.
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Old January 30 2009, 12:45 AM   #81
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Great stuff! AND we met a young Charles Widmore (Other) and Faraday's mother when she was young.

How do I know this? In the pop-up info for the rerun of "The Lie", it said her name is ELOISE Hawking. What was the name of the British Other who guarded Faraday who he found so familiar? ELLIE. Fascinating.
Oh, cool, that's an interesting tidbit...

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Lastly, I momentarily expected Ellie to be Danielle. But who knows...maybe she is...
Anything's possible, I'll readily admit. But I think we've got Ellie nailed down. I watched the episode again today after having read Mr Light's business last night about "The Lie" Enhanced and the way the actress portrays Ellie practically screams Fionnula Flannigan.
Yeah, I see that now. I made my late review first before reading the thread. I think Mr Light struck gold on this one.

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Oh, and good to see ya, Meh. Did I miss you in the fallout from last week? Wouldn't be a Lost season without your zany theories.
Yeah, I was here, but only for a few posts at the beginning of the thread and my review. I don't have much time anymore (considering I'm busy training in the Navy and all), but I'm making damn sure I watch LOST. Nothing is going to keep me away from that!
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Old January 30 2009, 01:02 AM   #82
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Above Average. Better than last week's season opener with some good surprises along the way. And I'm really glad they chose to keep the action off of the Oceanic Six this week, it was nice to get a story which was largely based on the island.
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Old January 30 2009, 01:32 AM   #83
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Oh, and another thought...

I wonder where Jacob "lived/lives" back in 1954? We know that the cabin we've seen him in isn't built until the Dharma days (1970's), but we know know that he was around in the 50's (Richard recognized the name when John said it). So... Where does Jacob hangout in 1954? The Black Rock? The Temple? Or is Jacob actually alive in 1954 and not a "ghost" like we've seen him in the present?
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Old January 30 2009, 02:02 AM   #84
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So the episode title and the bomb are called Jughead. Then on Life on Mars, they mention Archie and Jughead.

Sam Tyler has been screwed up by the Island! Locke is his constant!
Me and the gf got a laugh out of that as well.

I'm rating Jughead as Above Average. It was a lot of fun, and the history of the island is fleshed out and expanded a bit more.

On to next week!
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Old January 30 2009, 02:28 AM   #85
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Fabulous Episode.

Theory: Widmore already knows fullwell that Desmond will end up back on the island, because somehow he will and be transported back to 1954 and meet young Widmore.
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Old January 30 2009, 02:54 PM   #86
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I have a sneaky suspicion that in some twisted way, Richard IS the island, or at least an aspect of it, or bonded to it in a way that means he's not actually a living breathing human, and therefore never ages or dies.
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Old January 30 2009, 03:10 PM   #87
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Like every other Desmond episode, I rate this one an Excellent.
I'm really liking the island story this season with it jumping around through time. It keeps it fresh and interesting. I also liked the Widmore twist. I didn't see that coming.

On the negative side I'm feeling really worried about Penny's fate. Hopefully nothing happens to her and their kid.
I saw it coming...but now, where are the two chaps that got the 'unlucky numbers', one ending up in nut farm with Hurley....

And, just wondering, who do you think will end up being the two dead bodies found in the cave in season?

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Old January 30 2009, 05:07 PM   #88
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I'm not convinced Whidmore or Ellie were 'born' on the island - or came from the Black Rock (if we're still on that theory).

Both had obvious English accents and Whidmore used a couple British slang words. Words that he had to have picked up in England.

As for why he thinks it's his Island and not Ben's ... greedy? who knows?
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Old January 30 2009, 07:35 PM   #89
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And, just wondering, who do you think will end up being the two dead bodies found in the cave in season?

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Desmond and Penny. Just a random guess. Hell I would love them to be Jack and Kate.
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Old January 30 2009, 09:19 PM   #90
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Just read over at another site, and I haven't confirmed this myself, but apparently the Librarian who tries to help Desmond in Oxford (when he's looking for Faraday) is also the same lady who was working for Oceanic Airlines and let Hurley on to flight 815 when he was late getting to the airport, even through she wasn't supposed to.

The guy posting at the other site says it's not a casting coincidence (casting the same lady for different roles) but that it is intentional.

If so, what does that mean? Is she working for Widmore? Dharma? The Others?
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